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So I have ventured into coin photography. All is well except I have to take all of my photos at a slight angle to eliminate shadows, usually from my hand/camera that show up on the bottom half of the coin.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
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That's probably just a function of where/how you place the lighting. What's the specific technique you're using?
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I took a few last night with two lamps. Both had flexible necks like a desk lamp. I placed one at 10 o'clock and one about 2 o'clock. I got great light on most of the coin, but as I tried to shoot closer to the coin, my shadows kicked in on the bottom half of the coin.

Should I try more lighting behind/next to me?
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The lights need to be adjacent to or even somewhat in front of the camera lens (or as much as possible without obstructing the camera's view of the coin).
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Thanks for the tip Captain! Ill give it a shottonight.
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Makes this...

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No shadows.

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Nice pics, Bobby. I use the same method as you,
but I think the OP is actually referring to reflection off the coins.
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I'm actually kind of curious, because the only way you get "shadows" on the coin is if your hands or camera are blocking the light.
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Example:



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But, I think I have found what I'm looking for, what do you think?:



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I think they may still be a little dark from 4 o clock to 8 o clock, plus it seems I may need to work on my lighting a bit. These were taken with Auto White Balancing,Macro setting, no zoom.

Thanks a lot for all the help you guys have provided/continue to provide. Baby steps right!

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I forgot to mention, in all of these pics, my light is at 12 o'clock on the coin with the coin almost underneath the lamp. Also, I'm not sure what kind of bulbs these are, what do you guys recommend?
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Jansjo LED lights are popular. The images are very yellow, try a tungsten or incandescent white balance setting, or try a custom white balance, if your camera has that.
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Thanks for more tips, I'll definitely try em out til I get it right.
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OK, a couple quick thoughts:

A) The lighting problems you're seeing stem from having the lights at a little too much of an angle to the coin. Generally, you want the lights as close to the camera (while being above the lens) and shining as directly downward onto the coin as possible. Two are almost always preferable to one, and the reason Jansjos are so popular is because they're small (easily brought quite close to the lens), infinitely adjustable, and cheap. $10 each at Ikea.

B) I'm implying from your mention of shooting on an angle that you're handholding the camera. By shooting on that angle, you're giving up a bit of quality, and a fixed stand like a tripod or something will relieve you of a few different things to worry about.

C) As the good Captain mentioned, time to research White Balance as it applies to your camera - if you wish, identify your specific camera and we'll be happy to help figure things out.

As you're now aware, this is a process and it involves quite a bit of learning. There are many generalities about coin photography, but most cameras differ as to their "sweet spot" where they provide the best result. This is what we do in this forum - we help budding photographers find out what works best for the camera they own.

So please do make this a dialogue, and we'll get you hooked up.
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Thank you guys for the detailed response. Hopefully this evening I can try a few of the above techniques, and I will definitely try to get the jansjo lights as well.

Everyone here makes this place awesome. I can't imagine getting this much positive feedback anywhere else with my lack of skills. Once again, thank you and I will post pictures again soon.

Btw,the camera I am using is a Canon power shot A3100 IS. I also have a Sony cyber shot DSC-WX150 here but that bad boy confuses me still.
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Ok, so here are some revised photos after using some of your guys' tips on lighting and positioning. They are of the same Buffalo nickel in my post above. I used the Tungsten lighting setting on these:



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forgot to enlarge a little bit


still some uneven lighting and some glare issues but seems to be better than my first round of shots.





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