King Henry/John Coin ('ricard' Moneyer)

Welcome to the community! I'm sure there would be some way based on style and where the coin was found to date these moneyers (perhaps hoards could help dating). I dont really know anything about medieval coinage so I'm afraid I cant chip in.

Well, John reigned only 17 years, 800 years ago! How much narrower do you want to get! Actually, King John's coinage can be divided into a number of classes, irrespective of the moneyer, that can be ordered chronologically through the reign. Could we see a pic, pretty please?

I would say class 5b, so 1205-1209. I'm not sure why you feel this Ricard has no initial after his name, though. The chunk taken out of the reverse legend starts after the first dot, after RICARD, and ends by bisecting the O in ON; plenty of room for a B or T (not sure there are any Ricard P's for this coinage). The shortened mint name of LV (rather than LVN or LVND) seems to be associated with Ricard B and Ricard T.

Philadelphian - put it down to my amateur nature. I saw the dot after 'Ricard' and presumed that intimated that there was no more to come. Happy to be proved wrong. And that *is* a nice, clear 'B'.

How are you able to tell it's a 'Class 5b'. I understand the image of the King degrades over time, so is it from this you're able to tell? And how would I get that down to being a, for example, Class 5b2. Or is your assumption that because my example and yours are so similar, they must be the same class?

Thanks for the work you've put in here.

And, as previously, is that extract from Spink and, if so, would you say that it's something I definitely need to get a copy of...?

Many thanks,

Stephen

Thanks for that!

I have a few more coins I'm 'stuck on' I might pop up here, too. But I'll add Spink to the wishlist :)

Any idea how much a battered John/Ricard coin like mine is worth by any chance? It came in a pack of five 'battered medieval coins' for £22, which I think is probably quite bargainous anyway, but it'd be nice to know!

Cheers, Coinage!

Re: the other coins. Therein hangs a tale! And since it's lunchtime...

When I were a nipper, I started collecting coins and got a few Edwards, Victorias, etc. Not much to boast about, but I liked them. They moved from house to house with me but I realised a year or two ago that somewhere along the way they'd gone missing.

For Christmas, assuming I still had my childhood collection, my parents bought me a coin display case. It looked at me sadly until earlier this month I decided to start piecing it back together again so I had something to put in the case!

I've been limiting myself to £5 a coin, but was tempted by the £22 'damaged medieval coins' lot I found online. Because I have a newborn baby (the story gets more complicated!) I have about 15 minutes free time to myself. So, rather than unwrapping at once all the bits and bobs I've been ordering (I've got a backlog of about six envelopes at the moment!) I've been spending time studying each coin when I unwrap it.

Anyway, the crux of the matter is that I'm only onto my second coin of that £22 lot now. And it's a rather battered Edward. Which Edward? Not sure, but it's a longcross with 'dv' being part of the reverse.

The rest of the coins are of a similar - or slightly smaller - size to the John, but all seem largely intact, just with a chip or two missing. The Edward one is polished a little too much though, so perhaps the rest are equally mistreated. Or maybe there's some gems like the John! I'm sure I'll keep you posted...when I'm looking for help!

North volume 1 & 2 is a must over Spink and Coincrafts 2000 catalogue is full of info.There are more detailed books but take one step at a time.