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A New Coin For My French 'Collection'

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 Posted 06/12/2005  07:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ætheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
If you can call it a collection because at the moment it seems to be three random French coins.

But yesterday I was wandering around at the coin fair and I had already bought my Henry VI halfpenny and I fancied something a bit different. I had a good browse around, but when I saw this... well I liked it so much I bought it. Sad thing is I still don't know a great deal about it at present.

What I do know is it is a Philip IV (1285-1314) Silver Gros minted at Tournais.

(Apologies for having got the reverse picture slightly the wrong way around, it should be 90 degrees clockwise!)


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 Posted 06/12/2005  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What beautiful detail! Let us know all the details as you find out.
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They had tons of French hammered coins, i'd wanted one for a while. The Deniers were what i'd hoped for but most of the one's available were problemmatic.

Some had been cleaned a bit too much, some were too uncleaned and you couldn't see much. Others were off centre, some were weakly struck, some clipped, another chipped, one holed, another few ugly... and some had porous surfaces. Alot of the problems were due to the fact that several were not high grade silver but lower grade or base metals, which just don't last as well.

The rest were alright as it goes but none of them had that 'look', I like coins with strong strikes with a good deal of detail left. So this and another Gros jumped out at me. I must say it has a nice heavy feel to it and seems a bit thicker than the English equivalent the Groat.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ætheling

What I do know is it is a Philip IV (1285-1314) Silver Gros minted at Tournais.

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Looking at the round O in the reverse legend, it appears you have an earlier issue, issued during the reigns of both Philip III and Philip IV. These are attributed to be from between 1280-1290.

obverse legends:
PhILIPPVS REX (inner circle), BNDICTV: SIT: H0mE: DHI: nRI: DEI: IhV.XPI. (outer circle) Philippe, King, in the name of our lord Jesus Christ, is blessed

reverse legends:
TVRONVS * CIVIS City of Tournais

It is .958 fine silver.
It should be approximately 25mm in diameter.
It should be approximately 3.8-4.1g, (theoretical weight was 4.219g)

There are variations in the mark that separates TYRONVS CIVIS, if there is a mark. It appears yours does have a mark, but I cannot make it out. There were clovers, 5-pointed stars, and possibly others. There are also variations on the "T" of TYRONVS, but it appears yours is the normal type (the other has a hook, similar to a lower case "t")
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Hi there, Kuhli. You may not post much, but when you do...what great posts they are!

Thanks for the info.
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Hi Kuhli.

Wow at last! Someone knows something abut it.

Looking at the mark well it looks a bit like a triangle, now knowing something about hammered coins i'd say this was something like a trefoil, or in this case a clover.

Datewise I think i'll settle for 1285!

I also just checked all the 'N's too I thought for a minute I saw a reversed one there on the reverse, but it's just the scan.

Thanks!
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