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Got this about a year ago. Part of another trade. What's your opinion? You's Guy's Vs. NGC   |
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XF40-45? Indians are a hard one to grade
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There seems to be a bit of friction on the cheekbone and war bonnet but the fields look lustrous. Even though there is a bit of friction, they are sometimes seen graded as a low MS. I had initially guessed AU-58 but after looking at it a bit longer, the parts of the fields that are lit seem to be more lustrous than the graded AU-58's that I have seen. My guess will be MS-61. Nice looking coin!  Edited by D0ubl3Eagle
02/03/2013 6:33 pm
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I have no clue but, I will guess AU-53....It is hard to tell with the scratches on the holder. Nice coin!
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Like someone can actually grade a coin by one view of the obverse and reverse in a photograph through plastic and the grading services are holding the coin in hand raw and are looking at it from various angles to determine the grade. I doubt that it can be done very accurately, close maybe, a lucky guess possibly, but accurately not too likely. Indian quarter and half eagles are the hardest gold coins to grade. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Hey Ed, I'm not asking someone here to cure cancer or solve the meaning of life. My post is for fun like most of the other 'You Vs. TPG' threads. Are you taking this too seriously? If so, make the same comment on all the other 'You Vs. TPG' threads. I find your comment more appropriate in the threads were the pictures come from a Cell phone and look like they used a 1 Mega-pixel camera with petroleum jelly smeared on the lens. Are you still playing  ? What's your lucky guess  ? |
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Here's the grade. I won't argue with NGC on this one.  |
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Obvious signs of wear and it still got MS63. Go figure.
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IndianGoldEagle - where do you see signs of wear? I am dreadful at grading gold and the $5 Indians are my favorite so I would really like your opinion on this. Thanks!
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Bedrock of the Community
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I see a color difference (flat luster) on the highest points of the feathers and Indians cheek bone. Reverse on the top edge of the wing and the raised surface portion between the two legs. Here is an AU I purchased a couple months ago.   Edited by IndianGoldEagle
02/04/2013 9:07 pm
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My guess, before seeing the grade was MS-62. Quote:
Here is an AU I purchased a couple months ago. Is this one certified? From my experience, this would be AU-58 from TPG grading standards...and quite possibly low MS. If these have sufficient cartwheel luster, they will usually grade at least a 58. Is that a 1911-d?  I see an impression down there, but cant verify if it's a mm...If it was an 11-d, graded low AU; personally I would attempt a regrade.... Both are very nice coins! Edited by johnny54321
02/06/2013 4:02 pm
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Are you taking this too seriously? No. I was just trying to point out that even with a very good image of a coin factors such as a slab with dull spots in the area over the coin can make luster appear to be worn, scratches in the plastic unless mentioned in the description can lead one to think the scratch is on the coin and so forth. Quote:
Are you still playing? What's your lucky guess? I don't play the grading game online. I have played the "You vs. the TPG" game with coins in hand at coin shows though. The most memorable one was a coin I saw a couple of years ago, can't recall exactly what it was now, myself and four others looked at it with the label covered said it was easily a high end MS-64 with designs on MS-65. The owner uncovered the label and it said MS-62. Needless to say we were quite surprised. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Am I the only one who is curious as to whether or not the coin IndianEagle posted is an 11-d? I see an impression, but just cant quite make it out. It could just be an impression, there are also a lot of "weak ds" out there  Quote:
Like someone can actually grade a coin by one view of the obverse and reverse in a photograph through plastic and the grading services are holding the coin in hand raw and are looking at it from various angles to determine the grade. I doubt that it can be done very accurately, close maybe, a lucky guess possibly, but accurately not too likely. Indian quarter and half eagles are the hardest gold coins to grade. I agree these are very tough to grade, and tend to cause a wide variety of grades in the forums. Luster in the fields is always the first thing I look at for wear. Since the fields are so high on the coin, it is often the first to go. I have almost a complete set of indian half eagles(minus the 09-O and 1929), most of them being AU and only 2 of them have any remnants of cartwheel luster. One of them is raw, and the other was in an AU-58 slab. I have also owned a dozen certified indian AU quarter eagles that were in the AU-53 to AU-55 range. Not one of them had notable cartwheel luster. It is just something not often seen in the AU grade range. Now luster on the devices is a different story, and most AUs will have varying degrees of luster remaining on the indian's cheek. |
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Thanks indiangoldeagle. I agree, no clear sign of a mintmark, though I do see I crescent shaped impression of sort, but its a little too close to the perch....more likely a ding. I'd be tempted to send it in though as a "weak d" just in case. :-)
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