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Where Do The Words Penny And Dime Come From?

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Random question, but where do the words penny and dime come from? All of the other coin names are pretty obvious but I've always wondered about these two.
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Penny is from "pfennig", a German coin. I think it's an old Germanic word (a really old version is "penning"), but unsure of the original etymology.
Dime, originally "disme" (as on the 1792 coins), comes from French and ultimately from Latin "decimus" (one tenth). Coincidentally, the First French Republic (around 1799) issued a coin denominated as "un decime".
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One of the fascinating aspects of coin collecting is the history, not only behind a coin, but also the manner in which the coin is described or named. The simple question of "where do the words penny and dime come from" and the detailed response from "january1may" led me to further research. This link leads to others which, include the origin of the word 'dollar' and the 'dollar sign'.

http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavie...n/money.html
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Old English pening, penig, Northumbrian penning "penny," from Proto-Germanic *panninggaz (cf. Old Norse penningr, Swedish pänning, Danish penge, Old Frisian panning, Old Saxon pending, Middle Dutch pennic, Dutch penning, Old High German pfenning, German Pfennig, not recorded in Gothic, where skatts is used instead), of unknown origin.

The English coin was originally set at one-twelfth of a shilling and was of silver, later copper, then bronze. There are two plural forms: pennies of individual coins, pence collectively. In translations it rendered various foreign coins of small denomination, especially Latin denarius, whence comes its abbreviation d.

As American English colloquial for cent, it is recorded from 1889. Penny-a-liner "writer for a journal or newspaper" is attested from 1834. Penny dreadful "cheap and gory fiction" dates from c.1870. Phrase penny-wise and pound-foolish is recorded from c.1600. Penny-pincher "miserly person" is recorded from 1906 (as an adjective penny-pinching is recorded from 1858, American English). Penny loafers attested from 1960.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...d_in_frame=0
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As can be seen from SaintRidley's list of early Germanic language derivatives, "penny" is a word that has been in use for even longer than the English language has existed; as such, it's original derivation has been lost. It seems likely that it is, at least in part, an onomatopoeia - a word derived from the sound an object makes. If you take a pile of mediaeval silver pennies - these coins are rather small and very thin - and pour them out on a table, they make a kind of "ping-ping-ping" sound. The "ning" ending is diminutive, thus "penning" would mean "small object that makes a tinny, ringing sound".

Equally obscure, to me at least, is the usage of the word "penny" in North America as a slang term for the one cent coin. The Americans almost certainly adopted it first, since "real pennies", the large copper coins from Britain or the local penny tokens the same size, were still in circulation in Canada up until the 1850s. It's particularly confusing given that the original large cents, in both Canada and America, are closer in size and equivalent value to the halfpenny rather than the penny.

The word "dime", on the other hand, is a purely North American invention. Decimal currency, as originally envisaged by the American revolutionaries, was exactly what its name implies: base-10 counting. Thus, 10 mils to the cent, 10 cents to the dime, 10 dimes to the dollar, 10 dollars to the eagle. This replaced the somewhat random allocation of numbers in the Sterling currency system inherited from the British, of 4 farthings to a penny, 12 pence to the shilling, 5 shillings to the crown and 4 crowns to the pound.

Since 10 is easily divisible by 5 and 2, the most logical intermediate denominations for coins in a decimal system are 2 and 5. Thus, 1 cent, 2 cents, 5 cents, 1 dime, 2 dimes, 5 dimes, 1 dollar, 2 dollars, 5 dollars, and so forth. However, the "dollar", as adapted directly from the Spanish dollar, was already circulating in America with fractional coinage based on eighths, rather than tenths. Thus, the Americans found it easier to issue a "quarter-dollar" coin on par with the Spanish 2 reales coins already circulating, rather than a 2 dimes (20 cents) coin.
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The Coinage Act of 1792 established the dime which was spelled as "disme" in the original legislation.The Random House Dictionary derivation shows - Old French di ( s ) me from the Latin decima, tenth part.
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Great link aiglet7!
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