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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why do some of you think the lawyer was in on the scam? He gave the money as soon as JobIII presented evidence. It seems like he was just doing his job. Of course, I'm sure he knows his client is a dirt bag... Just suggesting something that could be looked into further and researched. From my layman's (non-expert) understanding, If the attorney gave their client (the scammer) advice that would serve him in the commission of fraud then it appears that there could be some shared culpability. State Bar associations may be able to give confirmation on whether this might be the case. Edited by Joe2007
02/09/2013 12:22 am
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Germany
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How sad, there is no law enforcement protection, or response.
I would add more as I am quite disgusted with this non-enforcement of the law, but just re-read the first line and think about it. That is somewhat unsettling. It appears to me that JobIII has enough evidence and experience to demonstrate that a scam is being pulled. He even has a friend with a similar experience with the guy! Yeah, ok, the scammer returns the money when caught. But if he is repeatedly shown to sell fake bars, he clearly knows what he is doing. I would think this is an open and shut case. |
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Germany
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Just suggesting something that could be looked into further and researched. From my layman's (non-expert) understanding, If the attorney gave their client (the scammer) advice that would serve him in the commission of fraud then it appears that there could be some shared culpability. State Bar associations may be able to give confirmation on whether this might be the case. Oh, I agree that it is certainly possible. I just don't see anything from the blog to suggest the lawyer is doing something wrong. Though having a criminal defense lawyer "on payroll" is somewhat concerning... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm thinking that the defense attorney on payroll is the likely reason why law enforcement is slow to respond. There is an itimidation factor there that could cause more victims from coming forward if they believe that they are going to be grilled by the defendant's lawyer. I know thats what would concern me the most.
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 United States
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Hi Joe,
My friend who happens to be an attorney said that this lawyer is skirting a grey area. But I didn't see how it would be helpful to accuse him of this.
~JobIII
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Glad to hear it all turned out OK. But you seriously should have written up a little contract with each other just in case. even just a handwritten memo with signatures on it is worth the world when it all comes down to it.
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United States
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Rachums definitely makes a good point. Receipts are key, especially if you're going to be using cash for purchases.
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United States
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This is a scary story because it's going to be *really* hard to put the scammer away. It won't be brought to trial because the defense attorney asks questions like this:
You are in the business of buying and selling silver?
Yes.
So you have other pieces of silver in your shop as well?
Yes of course.
Can you show us a bill of sale with serial numbers for these individual units?
They don't have serial numbers.
How do we know you haven't made an honest mistake, purchasing these fake coins in evidence right here from someone else?
Well, I..
We can't convict my client on what may very well be an honest mistake in the course of a routine transaction, can we?
Umm...
And the guaranteed clincher defense: Sorry that they were fakes Your Honor. I had no idea. I bought them from a guy on Craigslist. Even the expert I sold them to couldn't hardly tell..
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The only way to do it is to find him selling the same bogus silver to more than one person after being told it's bogus.
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Canada
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I bought a Sunshine Mint 10 Ounce bar from my local dealer, who is very reputable. It doesn't have a serial, but it has a sticker on the back inside the plastic, that apparently is a security feature. Should I be worried?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thank you very much for posting this an the link to your blog about it. Shows how careful one must be given the quality of fakes that are out on the market.
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United States
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Pokermandude - I really appreciate the comment. Please subscribe to my blog if you want. I just want other people to avoid the hassle I had to deal with.
Anjohl - No I wouldn't be worried. One you have a sale from a reputable dealer and that sticker is Sunshine's way of countering the fakes. I think you're okay.
~JobIII
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I just had an additional thought about this: If caught in a similar scheme, the best thing to do might be to mark the fake goods somehow and then tell the police about how you marked them. (Do it inconspicuously, like with blacklight ink.) Once they're given back and the seller is told they're fake, wait.
The next time they get caught selling bogus silver, check the goods for the marks. If they have them, then they can be nailed for selling fake silver that they *know* is fake.
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United States
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Just a quick update. I was contacted by an agent with the Secret Service, and met him along with another individual with the Department of Homeland Security. I guess there is an ongoing case for that person. I met with them and provided copies of all the info I could give them on my encounter. Luckily I saved everything, even all the voice messages that person left on my phone. Definitely some positive news, before getting their call, I thought the Feds weren't giving this any attention. It was pretty cool asking to see their ID's.  ~JobIII Edited by JobIII
01/13/2014 1:39 pm
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