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1843-O Half RPD

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I had a thread about my lucky purchase of this coin a few months back... https://goccf.com/t/134331

My photography skills were Poor 1 then and may be Good 4 now..
At the time I did not even see the RPD... That is what this is right?



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Sure looks like a RPD to my eyes. Your coin has a nice patina to it!
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Looks like an RPD to me.
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Thanks westcoin and condor for the replies. It was fun "discovering" this in a coin I already had a good deal on. These were also the first pics with my new usb microscope. I think I like it too.
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WB-103, Breen-4769, FS-301. Pretty decent premium over "normal" versions. Have a look for a repunched mint mark, low, but the way I read it you probably won't see one. Wiley and Bugart call this one R4+ in the grade you're looking at.

http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index...lars-1843-o/

A staggering score at the price you paid. This is a $300+ coin if the surfaces are original.
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Very nice RPD! What I find interesting is how the underlying "18" have enough of a S. spread that I'd expect the same for "43"--if this RPD represents one underlying impression of a 4-gang punch? I don't see much CCW tilt on "18" to account for the 4 slightly NW and the 3 tilted N. In fact, "18" is tilted slightly CW.
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Yeah, I'm kinda left the impression of a 2-gang punch, as well.
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The toning on the right of the date is absolutely gorgeous! Great coin and great RPD!
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2 gang punch? CCw? What are these?
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Gang punch refers to the punch that makes the date. A two gang punch would be a punch with 2 numbers. CCW is counter clockwise.
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Thanks. Always learning...
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Nope four gang punch rotated CW very slightly around a point just to the right of the center of the punch. (About at the point of the 4.) That puts the strong 18 higher and slightly to the right than the initial 18, and the strong 43 lower and slightly left of the initial 43. And that is exactly what the OP coin shows.
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Nope four gang punch rotated CW very slightly around a point just to the right of the center of the punch.
I'm willing to test that assertion, to see how this is explained using a 4-gang punch. I'm actually more familiar with overdates/RPDs using a 2-gang punch--the basis for my observation.

Here's a quick overlay to explain things. I suspect what may well account for the disparity of spread between the "18" and "43" is that the first punch was shifted south. The second punch was then rotated CCW to the axis shown, which increased the spread on the "18", while reducing it on the "43", as shown below. Although I would expect to see more separation on the 1/1--it's likely this is obscured by die polishing.

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