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960 Silver Coin 1813

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Anyone with an idea of value and authenticity on this coin960-Silver-Coin-1813

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The coin is an over strike of a Spanish-American Portrait 8 reales that was used in Brazil. Brazil had a silver shortage and re-coined 8Rs raising their value to 960 reis so they would not be hoarded or melted for the silver.

This type is from the Bahaia mint not Rio. It is my personal favorite mint. It was smaller than Rio with more die variation. There are also guide boos to individual die rarity for Bahaia.

You need to look for the under type and date if possible. If the recoining was eccentric like your coin you have a better shot at recognizing the coin underneath. Coins with the under type are worth more than if it is uncertain. Based on the surviving text the coin is colonial Spanish in origin. The mint mark should be directly above the S in SIGN. The rarest are over strikes over US heraldic dollars. I even know of one that is struck over a US dollar that has a counter stamp of the Bank of England under it.

The 1813 B version is a common date with numerous die pairs.

The counterfeit versions are worth a bit more than originals and an original stamp on a counterfeit host is likely worth 50% more. An original in this grade should be worth $75 to $100. A counterfeit about $100.

There are some counterfeits where the 8R details are also forged that is a better type (my opinion) but worth about the same amount.

Nice coin let us know what it was struck over.
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I don't have the coin. A local auction is going to sell it and if I can get a good deal I thought I would bid on it. If I do win it I will try to get better pictures and see if I can figure out what it was struck over.
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Why are the counterfeits worth more than the originals?
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The host is a Santiago FJ 8 reales, usually valued a little more than Peruvian or Bolivian issues. It is a Rio issue, though, and not a Bahia mint. You can tell by the shape of the ends of the cross on the reverse. If they're triangles, then the mint is Bahia. If they're trapezoids, like these are, then the mint is Rio de Janeiro (or Minas Gerais).

Personally, I don't like the condition of this one.

There are some contemporary counterfeits that were produced by counterstriking on top of 8 reales with a counterfeit 960 reis die. These are usually valued at the same, or more (depending on condition) as the official issues. The contemporary counterfeits were used and circulated alongside the official coins, especially since they have the same silver content.
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