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A Few Northern Song Coins And A Question

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Some of my recent delivery of 72.

Top Left:...........Ren Zong, Huang Song, 1039-1053AD.
Top Middle:.......Ying Zong, Zhi Ping, 1064-1067AD.
Top Right:.........Shen Zong, Yuan Feng, 1078-1085AD.
Bottom Left:......Zhe Zong, Yuan You, 1086-1093AD.
Bottom Middle:..Zhe Zong, Yuan You, 1086-1100AD. (Seal script)
Bottom Right:....Hui Zong, Zheng He, 1111-1117AD. (Seal script)
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Was just wondering if someone could confirm that the bottom right has a 'nail mark' and if so how rare is this and does it add to the value over a standard coin?
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 Posted 02/07/2013  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins! And a few different script styles as well.

I really don't know the answer to your question about that mark on the reverse.
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Bobby very cool coins, I know nothing about them, we have a guy in our club is a expert on them, I have no idea..
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Nice and varied collection you are building! There is an interesting story (legend) behind the 'nail mark' on some coins. This is taken from Wikipedia - "A crescent-shaped mark is often found on the reverse of Kai Yuans. The legend is that the Empress Wende inadvertently stuck one of her fingernails in a wax model of the coin when it was first presented to her, and the resulting mark was reverentially retained. Other imperial ladies have also been proposed as the source of these nail marks, especially the Imperial Consort Yang. Peng explores the possibility of a foreign source for them. More prosaically, they appear to be a control system operated by the mint workers."
I believe most collectors would agree with the last sentence that the 'nail mark' was most likely part of a control system at the mint. Calgary Coin, on their website, indicate that coins with a nail mark, crescent or dot may command a small premium over those without a mark.
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Thanks guys, interesting story aiglet7, love stuff like that!

I'll be sticking to Northern Song coins for a while now I think, seems like a good place to start and get the hang of Cash. Always on the look out for nice Wu Zhu though.

I did find the following a few minutes ago, its from 'NORTHERN SONG CASH' blogspot written by NORMAN F. GORNY. It mentions the nail marks.

http://beisongqianbi.blogspot.co.uk/

Its available to download on the above site as a 15 page PDF, I've only posted page 3.

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Here are some of the other NS I received, not the best of the bunch but pictures I had handy:

Top Left:...........Tai Zong, Chun Hua, 990-994AD. (Running script)
Top Middle:.......Tai Zong, Chun Hua, 990-994AD. (Grass script)
Top Right:.........Zhen Zong, Jing De, 1004-1007AD.
Bottom Left:......Tai Zong, Zhi Dao, 995-997AD.
Bottom Middle:..Tai Zong, Zhi Dao, 995-997AD. (Running script)
Bottom Right:....Tai Zong, Zhi Dao, 995-997AD. (Grass script)

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12 down about 50 more 1 cash to go
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Very nice group of coins Bobby, it's nice to see more Chinese coins being posted.
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Thanks for the link, BobbyH. The Norman Gorny 'blogs' are always interesting and educational. The more Chinese ancients you collect the more fascinating the history and legends behind them. If you plan to concentrate on the Northern Song dynasty you might find this link helpful -

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty...Songone.html
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I should have included this link for you also -

http://www.geledraak.nl/html/media/...0dynasty.pdf
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72, wow! looks like you're are resident ancient chinese coin expert now.

very cool BH!
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I wish chrsmat, lots of going on with me atm.

aiglet7 is 'the guy', hopefully Cash coins will start to make regular appearances around here, its a shame so few have featured in the past.

Good links aiglet7, I've added them to my list of 'go to' places.

The following has been very useful also:
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Again from the NORMAN F. GORNY site - the blog doesn't seem to have been updated in a while but it still has a lot of good info and is worth a look for those interested.

http://beisongqianbi.blogspot.co.uk/
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