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 Posted 02/08/2013  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby, the reverse is very close with the inscription..

Douce, I can see something like CIELION NEO (breakage) KODAN?

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 Posted 02/08/2013  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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Sadly, that's not it. Stance and placement of legend are off. When I did a search on WildWinds for the string "CIELION NEO K" under partial inscription, some coins did come up. So, I'm thinking that I have read the partial inscription correctly.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Stance and placement of legend are off.


Remember, hand cut dies from a provincial mint of a relatively rare Empress coin issue. These will vary a lot, I'm pretty sure we have a positive ID here, the legends match both obverse and reverse.

Search 'Salonina Artemis' and you will see the variation of this issue.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm... because I am usually searching for fine detail Canadian errors, maybe I am too picky. The one that you pointed out has a bow, mine has an eagle, that coin says a hound at feet, but there is no hound at feet with mine. Are the differences that severe? Perhaps, I need to focus more on the legends?
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I am usually searching for fine detail Canadian errors, maybe I am too picky. The one that you pointed out has a bow, mine has an eagle, that coin says a hound at feet, but there is no hound at feet with mine. Are the differences that severe?


I agree its not as good a match visually as I might have wanted, I also admit I was so drunk I did not even realise a hound was involved

However, we have, I feel, matched the legends, IDed the Empress and also 90% of the reverse. These provincial coins are not as well covered and classified as the Imperial ones so I'm not sure where to go to get catalogue numbers and see a list of slight variants. I'm sure someone will and will be able to do this. I do think your figure is firing a bow, its detail just lost from the flan, I also think I see a drawstring next to the 'eagle' (If it is indeed an eagle - I'm not saying its not but also not 100% sure). As far as the hound is concerned your correct, I also see no evidence on your coin of it, but I also see very little evidence of it on the example I cited:

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It could take a lot of internet trawling to find another coin similar to yours but it probably needs doing as I'm not 100% happy either with the things you pointed out.


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Thanks, Bobby for all you hard work. It is very much appreciated! I think I've trawled almost everywhere on this one. Maybe I'll leave it to the side and start on another. Maybe there's a mint worker laughing in his grave 1700 years later about the one-of-a-kind he snuck out! LOL
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Regarding the reverse legend, I think it is "NEO....KORON" with at least two letters missing, from the broken section.
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Missing letters or just a big break for the bow?

I think NEWKORWN means "temple sweeper".

I really wish all Greek could be cut and pasted into here - would make a whole lot easier
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I agree that bobbyhelmet has found the correct legend and Augusta, (even a pint or two cannot hold him back ), but I'm not convinced that the reverse image is Artemis. It just looks too masculine.

There does seem to be another curved object in the left hand where the flan is broken.

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New reverse combinations on Provincial coins seem to show up fairly often. Maybe that is the case here?

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I see a thunderbolt in his right hand...Zeus or a roman equivalent?
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Yes, Jupiter, as mentioned in the previous posting on this coin.
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This coin has been cleaned up a bit more and that is definately eagle feathers in the hand. Also, the letters on the obeverse have cleaned up a bit and it is as Bobby says, "EFE". Since I am so new to these, I had to look up the symbol that is there to see what it meant (vertical line with oval) to see that it was indeed an "F". Reverse legend is correct "EFECIWN NEO KOPWN" Does anyone know what that means? I believe NEO means to spin or weave... Getting closer...
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