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Price Gouging At A Coin Show

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 Posted 04/22/2007  11:27 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sports Writer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My parents and I drove down from Toronto to Niagara Falls, NY to see a really huge coin show. Anyway, I asked for the price of a Canadian 1967 Proof Like Set at one table, the guy clearly answered $15. I decided not to make quick decisions, even though it was tempting. So I left and looked at other tables. When I came back to actually buy the set, the guy asked for $16. My dad and I claimed to him he had asked for 15. So he lied. He said: "I said 15 for any silver but the 67" Then my dad replied: "We asked you for the 1967 set just 20 minutes ago and you said $15" The dealer: "That was my price then, and you left, so..." In the end, he reluctantly accepted 15 and said that he wasn't going to argue over a dollar. So my take on this is that this was a case of price gouging and it was not right. I ask for a price, then I leave, and you tell me that's going to change when I come back? That's non-sense and utterly preposterous!

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 Posted 04/22/2007  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

LOL... he figured you looked elsewhere, couldn't find it cheaper, so he upped the price.

What he didn't figure is you were going to tell the world he's a gouger.

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 Posted 04/22/2007  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He's a cheese-ball. I would have walked away again, no sale.
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 Posted 04/22/2007  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I probably wouldn't have bought from him either. That's just wrong!

Unfortunately, shows can be a great place to buy coins, but you get bad dealers there as well as good. Sometimes, it's a 50/50 split on good to bad. I also think it's easier to get better prices at the smaller shows because the cost of a table isn't as high for the dealers.
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 Posted 04/22/2007  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was at Niagara yesterday, as well. Came back empty-handed, since only a few people had world stuff and none that I could add to my collection. Lunch buffet at the Casino was pretty nice though!

I'm sorry about your experience. I wouldn't have bought from him, either, if he was arguing over a dollar.

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 Posted 04/22/2007  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At that point I wouldn't have even given him the $15 and just walked away
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 Posted 04/22/2007  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sports Writer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He seemed like a nice guy at first, I talked with him and he was pretty curteous with others too. But price gouging for a dollar? Come on! Well, I'll learn from this experience and move on. Anyway, it was a beautiful set. I always though coin dealers are nice people.
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I had a similar experience a few months ago, but this time it was over $50. I located a Seated dollar, and by the time I got to the dealer 2 hours later, the price had clearly been remarked $50 higher than what was quoted, with the claim that they couldn't keep up with prices. Fair enough...I studied the coin under magnification, found some nice swirling pinscratches in the obverse field, informed the dealer and walked out.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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You should've asked him if he had anything to do with those Coca Cola machines they were testing once where the prices went up with the outside temperature.
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 Posted 04/22/2007  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gonefishin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have argued with him also then once he changed his mind to $15.00, I would not have bought the coins a that price....
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I almost drove down for this show. I would have been after mostly world coins this year, so it looks like I didn't miss too much, according to TwoKopeiki. There's alwyas Torex and the CNA convention coming up, too.
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 Posted 04/22/2007  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with everyone. I would have walked away, I'd sooner give someone else $16.00 than give that dealer $15.00.
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 Posted 04/23/2007  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew289 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He is called a coin dealer.
It's par for the course. Just part of the games that you have to play when participating in this hobby. Everyone is out for their own self interest.
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 Posted 04/23/2007  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I'm with the dealer on this one. He offered it for $15, you passed and walked off. That price was now void. These things don't have prices set in stone people. He looks at it figures what he has in it and decides on a price. Later when asked again he does the same thing but this time doesn't come up with the same price. He isn't gouging he's just coming to a different conclusion. I do the same thing here in our carpet shop. People ask for a price on something I have in stock, I know what we paid, I know what it is marked, and I come up with a quote based on those, how long since the last sale, how long since the last sale of that material, even how I am feeling and the attitude of the customer. If he passes and the next person through the door asks for that same stock he might get a different price. If the first customer comes back next month and prices it again, I don't remember what I quoted last month, so I come up with a new price.

No the dealer was justified with coming up with a new price. Especially since they had walked the floor already. Like Bobby131313 said he may have figured you had priced all over the floor and he was the cheapest. Maybe he didn't like being bargin shopped. Anyway it doesn't matter, a price quote is ONLY good at the time it is offered. You walk away it is null and void. Frankly he may have errored when he quoted $15 and was hoping you passed. He might have been gouging himself with the first quote. I've done that too. If my too low quoted price is accepted when offered I stick to it. But you leave don't expect to be able to come back and have me agree to shortchange myself later.
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 Posted 04/23/2007  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aceman732 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I'm a newbie, I think I agree with Conder101. It might not feel good to be the person trying to buy the set, but this is a perfect example of supply and demand and is the basis of our entire economy (at least in the U.S.).

And it might be first instinct to be upset about the situation (I probably would be too), but I think you should instead be congratulating yourself for the successful negotiation! After all, you still got the set for $15.
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 Posted 04/24/2007  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We do not know all of the circumstances involved. A dealer is entitled to adjust his prices anytime he so chooses. This could be for a number of reasons. He walked the floor, like you, and found that he was considerably under priced. He might have brought two or three sets of these coins and sold two while you were gone and decided to up the price on the last set. He might have double checked his price list and found that he had them simply priced wrong. Or, he just decided he felt like it. Prices change daily without any rhyme or reason, look at gas prices. My guess is if you had walked back and asked the price the 2nd time and he had said $12.00, you would have not complained or insisted on paying $15.00. Many times at the end of a show, I see prices adjusted down and we do not consider the dealer to be unreputable. So, why if he adjust upward is he wrong?
Jim
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