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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
what a 2 week move for gold and silver, still managing to hold its gains from last week and building on it.
price action has been constructive thus far.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
@Yup
I agree. I'm glad The Gold Forecast had me buy at $1255 two weeks ago.
Although you and Wagner have different approaches, you are both excellent in your respective styles (e.g., Elliot & Trend).
I hope everyone has a great weekend after the last two weeks!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1205 Posts |
WHO would have THUNK...Weiner/Clinton/Comey..would help spot(Weiner-Clinton...huh? Is THIS what they call....a News "FLASH"?)...NOT me..what a story...Fridays usually totally suck...a reprieve today..Trump into oval office would be very beneficial for volatility..Go ahead, YUP..kill me...I know.I know..I know.... I'll take any cent UP, from ANY source..looking at MA charts...next week will be VERY interesting, then, the election.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
As many of you know, I really dont follow any certain sort of news. I trade mostly in silence, reading the tape, following set ups, monitoring various asset classes, monitoring assets making 52 highs and those making 52 lows.
I dont really follow any news during the day except others traders chatter from through out the day.
So when gold starting running higher in the early afternoon and stocks kind of started to flake again I figured it was once again the typical putrid market action.
In some ways I was not surprised by golds strength, we have been saying for 2 weeks now its been acting strong.
However, I continued reading the tape, observing a long list of stocks that had reported this week and yesterday that reported really good numbers and continue to trend higher in this horrid tape. To me that is all that matters, what is price doing, going, where is the money flowing to or out of.
AFter a while my stream started showing these items about the FBI and the email debacle. Which, I mean, to me, personally, means absolutely nothing. I am not in the business of politics, I am in the business to make money and manage risk.
So..
Point 1- As usual, price happens FIRST, then news follows. THis is a perfect example. IF you have been paying attention, you would already known that gold has been acting pretty well, with silver following. If one was amazed by the spike today in gold, well you are pretty behind the curve because gold has been grinding away for 2 weeks roughly. So again, PRICE FIRST, news SECOND. Dont ever forget that.
Perhaps the market already knew about this weeks ago? I dunno. I do believe tho, since markets look into the future (because there are many market forces at work every day and the market is dynamic, ever changing) perhaps some parts of the markets were aware of this stirring underneath the surface.
Point 2- News events can be faded. This is not the point now to jump and run and roll yourself into gold. Remember, the markets take their sweet time and nothing does up or down in a straight line. Overhead supply still lurks. expect some more and continued back and forth in the PMs. That is NOT too say that this price action isn't positive.
However, usually on these pops, people tend to act late, so dont get caught buying around these levels. There will be other levels to enter.
It will be interesting to see if as we wrap up elections, whoever it is that becomes president, if we get a similar ramp up in gold. I remember when Obama won, I was in the process of adding the final tranche in what was a long term trend following position for gold, I added my final line in the 770s in november. Now, I am NOT saying that because of Obama I took gold nor am I saying that whoever takes over soon will cause gold to ramp higher.
I am just saying, patterns, cycles repeat. Seeing that gold and silver are once again in up trends and with a new president coming, conditions seem ripe and accommodating for that same kind of continued push higher by the PMs.
The final thought is this- dont feel the train took off. There will be many areas to enter gold and silver. I repeat, I bought in the 400s, 500s, and 770s and just sat in the very long gold uptrend. Look where gold ended up... almost 2K. The real fireworks should really start IF/WHEN we get 2,000 gold. Above 2,000 there is ZERO OVERHEAD SUPPLY and that will let gold run, there will be no sellers, we will be in uncharted territory which is great.
But we are getting ahead here. for now , continue to pay attention to gold, silver as they build on their bases/ranges.
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Valued Member
United States
154 Posts |
Heard a report that trading Gold is illegal in Islamic law, something about it being immoral like tobacco and alcohol. They can own gold jewelry, but can't trade bullion on their markets. This report states that is going to change sometime near the end of 2016 or start of 2017. If this is true, it should provide a jump in gold prices by bringing in 1.6 billion potential buyers. Has anyone else heard about this change in Islamic law?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1205 Posts |
@#ZACK..yes, I have..the "Spin Drs" are using it to sell either monthly subscriptions to their bullion newsletters, and/or, selling gold coins...yes, it is true, some laws either have changed, or, will change, but, a fact-checker shows minimal global impact. It's not like all of the sudden, there be a massive supply shortage..not even a small dent. As YUP says, just watch the tape. Look for newer higher closings each day. Most of the people who exited the last 100 days are gone. It's hopefully becoming a buyers market again. Only time will tell.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
I do think those that wanted to sell are gone in gold and silver. doesn't mean we will have selling but that kind of heavy selling we saw in early October does appear to be behind us. Now this is where it gets interesting. I'll stick with gold for now to illustrate this but we have a gap down from 10/4 in silver and gold. You might recall that was the day where after breaking the range the selling exploded as the range was broken lower, thus the very explosive move down. NOW we starting to see this gap filled. As they say, a very old saying, "ALL GAPS GET FILLED". In this case, we are starting to see that 10/4 gap being filled, on the way up. Its almost like a vacuum effect, and again, this works up or down. In this case, we are probably going to see this gap filled on the way up, I remember one trader used to talk about the Kirby Effect, in reference about a vacuum brand, and how just as with a vacuum on a carpet sucks up whatever is in its path, gaps work in a same way in terms of price. Once price gets going near these gaps, its almost like a strong attraction to go towards them and fill them, up or down. Again, dont think that gold is special here. Gaps occur in ALL assets and they happen as a gap down or gap up. In this case, it does appear gold is now being attracted to filling this gap down we had on 10/4. Filling that gap from 10/4 will be a big deal on a shorter time frame. Dont expect it to happen immediately but it should with some push and time fill it up. Expect some back and forth around here as well. Finally regarding Zacks comment, I would just pretty much ignore all this talk about "potential" 1.6 bullion buyers. It sounds like silly talk to me, seeing that there is already a gold exchange that recently set up in Duabi for gold and I know for a fact they are minting and selling bullion coins, there is this one series that APMEX had from one of those Arab states that sold out pretty good. So like ilikeies said, mostly like its someone trying to sell something. I have always heard this talk about a "potential group" of some many millions will drive up gold, I have heard it before talking about India and China in the past. It is not millions or bullion of individuals that push up markets but rather the financial players in those markets who have the funds to actually move the price, not a collective amount of individual buyers who must buy from a 3rd party. In any case, gold and silver not do need any sort of big group to get prices going. The market will do that on its own without them.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
I am going to see if I can do a chart or two before the evening is out. but one thought I want to leave for next week, here are your numbers to see if we see more upside in gold and silver.
Gold- breaking 1284.50 pushes higher into that gap
Silver- breaking 17.93 pushes higher into that gap
the gap we are referring to is the gap down from 10/4.
I am hoping to add a chart to point out a few things before the evening is out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1205 Posts |
Silver just hit 17.93 in ONT...everything off to a great start for the week..beats the heck out of seeing RED...my god, my eyes were RED from seeing so much red, for so long...
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Valued Member
United States
154 Posts |
Yea, I figured it was some sort of gimmick. Everyone wants to get into your pocket.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
577 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
So I refer you all to point 2 from my 10-29 post. Here is the news fade reaction I talked about. Expect more of this type price action in gold, silver.
Remember, we are concentrated on seeing if these ranges continue to form and break higher, little by little. Seeing that we had two weeks of this type of price action, I do think its possible we march higher in this form, with again, lots of back and forth, which is not a bad thing.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Want draw your attention real quick here while I have a few minutes, take a look at CDE, ABX and AEM, we mentioned them last week in regards to their ERs. Notice how as an example both ABX and AEM are drifting higher.
With the combo of a gold market trying to stablize and go higher along the fact that their ER report was found favorable by the market, these names should be on your top of the list to buy.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
ever hear the old saying "what matters is how they close"? Take notice how just about all gold and silver mining stocks closed at their high of day today.
This despite the fact that gold and silver really didnt really move up much.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1205 Posts |
I'm certainly loving uncertainty! NICE touch for the late afternoon...many miners are UP, slighly, in after hours trading...even with spot DOWN...This does NOT happen very often..the nibblers are a nibblin...
Edited by ilikeikes 10/31/2016 8:06 pm
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