Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Specializing in Modern Numismatics 300,000 items to help build your collection! Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

New York Die

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 1,440Next Topic  
Valued Member
laverdajohn's Avatar
United Kingdom
175 Posts
 Posted 02/19/2013  6:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add laverdajohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
thought you might like to see this die, would be interested in any details.

New-York-Die

Reversed and edited to show more detail
New-York-Die

Some details on the back
New-York-Die
Pillar of the Community
philadelphian's Avatar
United States
3253 Posts
 Posted 02/20/2013  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A cool thing! This is something that exonumismatists can enjoy, that collectors of currency coins may never see. From the earliest times, dies for circulating coins have been formally destroyed when no longer in use; a basic anticounterfeiting measure. The only surviving dies for a circulating US coin I've heard of are the ones found by Horatio Rust and used to make the "New Haven restrike Fugio cents, but even if he did find them being used as paperweights in a hardware store, the consensus may now be that they were not original, but fantasy-piece dies made privately in the 1850s. Don't know much about dies though; if I'm wrong, and there are more of them out there, sure would like to see them on the forum!
Pillar of the Community
Dave H's Avatar
United States
1436 Posts
 Posted 02/20/2013  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
laverdajohn, any idea what the S of T on the die represents?
Pillar of the Community
CheetahCats's Avatar
United States
731 Posts
 Posted 02/20/2013  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bale & Smith were Early American Hard Times engravers. This die is their work.

The firm originated as Richard Trested's -- an English immigrant who came to NYC at about 1820. After his death less than a decade later, his widow sold the firm to Bale, who was Trested's apprentice.

The firm lasted until the late 19th century under a progression of partners.

Here is an article that discusses the timeline of the firm, beginning with Trested. I wrote it about 2 years ago.

http://www.novanumismatics.com/engr...king-legacy/

Your die is is incredibly historical. You are quite fortunate to possess it.

Cheetah
Moderator
Learn More...
Sap's Avatar
Australia
16829 Posts
 Posted 02/20/2013  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...any idea what the S of T on the die represents?

I'm pretty sure it's the Sons of Temperance.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
Pillar of the Community
philadelphian's Avatar
United States
3253 Posts
 Posted 02/20/2013  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And here's a page from the Journal of the Proceedings of the Formation of the Order of the Sons of Temperance, reporting the opening of the Flushing Division in the minutes of the meeting on April 24, 1843.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jU...&output=html
Valued Member
laverdajohn's Avatar
United Kingdom
175 Posts
 Posted 02/21/2013  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laverdajohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
after consulting with my father-in-law, he thinks it may have been a seal rather than a die. I don't have it with me at the moment but it is about 2 inch dia
Edited by laverdajohn
02/21/2013 07:09 am
Valued Member
laverdajohn's Avatar
United Kingdom
175 Posts
 Posted 02/21/2013  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laverdajohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
measured this tonight, it is 45mm across 9mm deep and looks to be made of brass, would a die be made of anything other than a hard steel?
Pillar of the Community
philadelphian's Avatar
United States
3253 Posts
 Posted 02/21/2013  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apparently, the Sons of Temperance did use seals on their documents a lot. Plenty of examples online; if we could find a document with this image as a seal, that would, well, seal it.
Pillar of the Community
TJsCoins's Avatar
United States
3229 Posts
 Posted 02/22/2013  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very Cool!
  Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 1,440Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.32 seconds to rattle this change. Forums