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Celtic Coin Rarity:: An Addendum To The Abc Book Review

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In my quest for knowledge of the Celtic coin area I've learned a lot from the writings of Chris Rudd who has an excellent website and along with Liz Cottam produces a regular online catalogue several times a year....Rudd explains the Celtic coin rarity system as follows:::::

VERY COMMON:::::over 200 pieces
COMMON:::101-200
SCARCE:::51-100
RARE:::31-50
VERY RARE::16-30
EXTREMELY RARE::6-15
EXCESSIVELY RARE::::2-5
UNIQUE?::ONLY ONE?

This system was originally devised by Van Ardsell in 1989 and used by most collectors and dealers .."Tho very approximate it has proved to be a valuable guide to the comparative scarcity of different types" [quote from pg 8 of the ABC book..by C Rudd] ....These figures were and are based on reported finds to the Celtic Coins Index and Portable Antiquities Scheme and should be regarded as a rough guide only as many finds arent reported.....

A very small minority of Metdet finds in the Uk are of the Celtic type for a few good reasons as follows::

1...UK origin Celtic coins were only produced for a relatively short time of around 200 yrs from 150BC to around 45AD. The mintages were not high to begin with and many were constantly being melted to make newer coins as the politics changed over time.....between the constantly warring celtic tribes...

2...The Celtic coin finding area of the Uk is a small area comprising about 1/4 of the UK land base in the South Eastern part roughly in a line from Dorset on the Southwest coast to Humber on the mid east coast. This area is known as the Celtic Coin Zone and is the area where the various coin producing tribes lived....from pg 8 of the ABC book

3... most of the gold in the coins came via the Romans as tribute to the friendly Celtic Kings. This was how the ROMANS did their business. Before the UK
invasions The gold primarily came from Gaulish Celtic tribes and were often melted down and reformed into local currency although many Gallic Gold and Silver pieces turn up on UK soil such as the famous Ambiani Gallic War Staters...which served as influential models for Later designs on UK Celtic coins.....

I hope this info is of use to the community

the illustrated coin is the one of Corn Ear types ...From the Catuvellauni King CUNOBELINUS AD 8-41 listed as ABC 2786 Cunobelinus Plastic gold stater

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 Posted 02/21/2013  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Monkeybean to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is great information , thanks .
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Posting for no other reason than we all like maps

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http://www.celtnet.org.uk/brythonic-tribes.html
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Chris Rudd and Liz Cottam would have to be somewhere in the top five or so of knowledeable dealers of Celtic coins in the World.
I have a few Celtic coins, but they are quite scarce on the market in Australia. I have seen three examples of the gold stater of Cunoebelin similar to what is pictured, over a period of about 35 years.
On this basis, and considering that there are collectors of Celtic coins the World over, that the coin pictured, on the Van Ardsell scale, would be in the very common bracket. Even at 200+ existing examples, that still makes them very hard to find on the Australian market.

All of the Celtic coins in my collection (2 from the British Isles and 3 European) would be very common in the Van Ardsell scheme of things. No gold Celtic in my collection. I would like that to change, but I may have to wait beyond the end of my lifetime.

I have an older reference on Celtic coins:
The Coinage of Ancient Britain, by R.P. Mack.

bobbyhelmet:
What is important to me about the map is that there is good information about about the location of the Irish tribes. Ta for posting!
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@bobby helmet and sel and monkeybean..Thanks for your quick responses to my Posts...The map is excellent and I printed up copies....The gold staters and 1/4 staters are worth the investment in particular. The dealers say that they are steadily appreciating in value as more and more collectors turn to Celtic Coins. However I would be careful of fakes and only buy from reputable dealers although ebay always has some variety of staters of mostly Eastern and Gallic origins for sale at any one time...Ebay is more likely to be selling fakes so you really have to trust the seller. Having said that you should know I'm an ebay seller of mostly vintage Canada and USA coins and some silver and gold bullion for over 10 years so I think ebay is an excellent and fairly safe place to acquire coins. But most of my collection has come from reputable well known dealers like Rudd and Cottam and Silbury Coins and Forum Coins . From these dealers you can expect to pay fair market value and get awesome coins that are properly identified and shipped. I've gotten some nice Gallic coins via ebay again from reputable ebay dealers who guarantee authenticity....but when it comes to ebay..caveat emptor
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OK so I've decided my knowledge in this area is pathetic but I'd like to improve it.

Does Cassidy or SEL or anyone know of any good none coin books about the Celts or specialist books about the Brigantes.

Are books the best way to go or is online better. I still have about 25 unread from Christmas to get through

I found this, it has mixed reviews but is specifically about the Brigantes:

Cartimandua: Queen of the Brigantes
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http://www.amazon.com/Cartimandua-Q...m_cr_pr_pb_t

Being a child of generation X, E numbers have destroyed my attention span so big books with lots of pictures are welcomed
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Very interesting writeup! And nice map--I never considered the complexity of Celtic tribes in Britain (I didn't expect to see Belgiae on the map).
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@bobbyhelmet....I would start with the ABC book because besides a coinbook it is full of historical info.. The other book I'm reading is also a relatively recent book [2000]release that is more ARCHEOLOGICAL but discusses coins a lot as well entitled "Coins and Power in Late Iron Age Britain" by John Creighton..not too many pictures tho and probably somewhat academic but I'm only just 1/4 into it....another good book is"" the Tribes and Coins of Celtic Britain ""by Pudill and Eyre.2005..This book is thin and FULL OF COLOR PICS OF CELTIC COINS along with a short history section ...with risk of repeating myself I would bite the bullet and buy the ABC book before anything.
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I would certainly like the ABC book but at £75 it may have to wait till I'm sure this is something I'm going to continue with. I have bought the following books though for general context and I will very likely get 'The Tribes and Coins of Celtic Britain', it too looks like a good one.

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Exploring The World Of The Celts: Simon James. Thames and Hudson are pretty good publishers and this was reveiwed as a good introduction to the Celts for a beginner.

The Celts, Prehistory to Present Day: John Davies. A companion book to a TV series I didn't see but also seems to have had good reviews.

The Ancient World of the Celts: Peter Berresford Ellis. Depending on which reviews you believe either the best or worst book written on the Celts.

The Art of the Celts: David Sandison. Coffee table book showing various examples of Celtic art.

Atlas of the Celts: Philips. Because you cant beat a good map

I do like books and got all of the above second hand in 'very good' for £15 shipped so can't be robbed!
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Tribes and coins of Celtic Britain 2005 is an awesome good little volume..It has 83 pages and contains magnificent color plates from beginning to end...It goes into the History of UK Celtic coins starting well before the Roman invasion and each major period is covered ending with a short summing up section with some the Roman coins . Besides this.... there is a full color Biblio which contains plates and details of the books published by Greenlight publishing company from which this book can be ordered. This company specializes in Metdet books and mags for the Uk so is well worth checking out and they ship fast...and as well this book contains a printed insert which lists current coin values on 143 Uk Celtic coins
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