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Is blue/green copper corrosion on pennies mainly copper sulphate & arsenic?

Interesting. kg5
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It's usually referred to as Verdigris kg5.
If you google it you'll find plenty of info about it.
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I wouldnt have thought arsenic. Its more than just copper sulphate but I'm sure that is a significant portion. From what I have read it is quite a complex concotion of sulphates and other compunds.
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With a multi-disciplined horticultural background I like to know my poisons.

Thank you for the word to google!

I will look but I am fairly sure that there is arsenic in it as it is an issue in modern builds that are not so modern any more. Low doses like in our household water supply we build up a tolerance to this poison. It is also good for the skin. Ladies in the 1800's used it as a face cream. It created a very white, perfect, wrinkle free face look but it killed them as well.
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Greenish colouration on copper/bronze coins is often a complex mixture of chemical compounds, depending on the environment which the coin has been exposed to. Typically, it's a mixture of copper hydroxide and copper carbonate; copper oxide is black rather than green. If the copper hydroxide content is too high, the verdigris becomes the more contagious "bronze disease". If salt is present (beach finds, sea salt in the air from living near the ocean, or salty soil the coin is buried in) then copper chloride is a likely component. A high-sulfur environment would generate copper sulfide and copper sulfate.

Development of green colour on copper exposed to the environment is an entirely natural process; the coin is in effect attempting to slowly revert back to the copper ore from whence it came. Malachite, for example, is a dark green, glossy form of verdigris often seen on long-buried coins.

Verdigris on coins is not to be confused with the mediaeval paint pigment also known as "verdigris", which often turns up in dictionary definitions of that word; this was made from copper acetate derived from exposing copper plates to vinegar vapours. Unless you've been cleaning your coins in vinegar, you shouldn't find any copper acetate on them. There shouldn't be any arsenic in copper corrosion products, either, unless you've been storing your coins in arsenic trioxide for some reason.
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Excellent info.

We live on a waterfront, on an island in the Southern Morton Bay Island group. Our island has no bridge and it is a 14km trip to the mainland.

The salt is not very strong in the air outside or inside our house for many reasons I say this as over the 25 years we have lived here there is very little corrosion in the aluminum window frames etc. It is, no way like an ocean wind atmosphere so I think it will be OK for copper coins.

But we do have trouble with high levels of iron in the soil and dust because of the iron stone and the iron stained soil which is very red/brown and this mixture has destroyed many a island car over the years. When the road was sealed with concrete the iron problem has lessened to the point that we now have a mainland flash type car and it has lasted very well over a 7 year period so far. Nice not to have to use an island car anymore.
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