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1980 Nickle - Capped Over Dime?

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 Posted 03/09/2013  7:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hit the collectable store today and bought this coin thinking it was a double denomination but it looks like it was struck buy a capped dime, is this even possible? What do you guys think? I hope that this is not some kind of hammer job. Thanks for your time and input.

Chuck

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?

1980-Nickle---Capped-Over-Dime?
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03/09/2013 7:06 pm
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 Posted 03/09/2013  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks pretty darn neat! Is Mike around?
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03/09/2013 8:01 pm
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 Posted 03/09/2013  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it was slapped in a vise in a garage. You cen see the reeding and the mirrored letters on the reverse. Maybe a piece of leather was used on the obverse side. PMD
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 Posted 03/09/2013  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If a vise had done this, I believe we would see more of am image transfer. Does the reeding on dimes go on the coin after the strike? If that's the case, this can't be anything but PMD and I will be taking this coin back tomorrow for a full refund.

I wanted to add a double denomination and a double strike to my collection this week but I guess that's not going to happen now.
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 Posted 03/09/2013  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing, why is it that the partial lettering of "ONE DIME" looks normal but the letters on the bottom "Americaa" are mirrored, how in the heck did this ever happen?
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 Posted 03/09/2013  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally would return this if you have the option.
The obverse side looks like it was placed over 1 or 2 hard rubber garden hose washers or something similar, then placed in a machine shop hand press (like those that install bearings on a shaft), then a dime or ? placed on the center of the reverse and pressed...

However it was done, it sure was a ugly job.

IMHO of course.
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I took it back and will be taking my loop with me to the stores from now on. In its place, I purchased a 1988 off center nickle, a Hine's Ward autographed card and a small nick knack for the wife. Thanks guys, I learned a lesson here, I was way to excited to purchase the coin thinking it was legit because it was being sold in what I considered a trustworthy hobby shop in our local mall.
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Quote:
will be taking my loop with me to the stores from now on.


I always carry my loop. I learned my lesson at an estate sale where they had a set of LWC that included a 1922 "no D". I don't remember what they were asking for it but I recall thinking it was reasonable if the 1922 was real. I had no loop to check it.
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 Posted 03/11/2013  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most shops don't know for sure what they have. Others think they can reel in a sucker. At least you got your money back.
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Looks like dime placed obv down on a hard surface. Nickel stacked on top of it obverse up. 3/4 inch piece of steel pipe stacked on top of nickel. Smack it with a sledge hammer. The pipe forces down the edge of the nickel leaving the raised center area on the obv of the nickel. Since the force of the blow is around the outside of the dime the nickel is pressed down around it causing the reeds from the dime to show inside the impression, but since the force of the impact was not directly on the dime there is minimal transfer of design from the dime to the nickel. Just around the edges of the dime
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 Posted 03/11/2013  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, but I had one more question about this fake. Why are some of the devises mirrored on the transfer and the others not?
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As Conder101 mentioned the item used to press the coins together may affect the area the trasfer took off the other coin. If it were pressed evenly with three full coins in a vise, the more overall transfer happens. With a little give in an area, less would be transfered. The mention on this thread also about rubber washers being used also add another concept to the idea. Hitting two/more coins with a hammer tends to affect just certain areas when the contact was strongest. Seems like every murderer of coins have his own method of ruining them. But it is always an attempt to make th coin look like something it is not.
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 Posted 03/11/2013  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry, maybe I did not ask properly. Take a look at the transferred lettering "one Dime" right underneath UNUM, these letters do not look mirrored like those letters on the oposite edge. I was just curious how that could happen but it is really not a big deal.
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Look at it again, it IS mirrored. It looks confusing because it has been rotated around to the top of the coin and you are looking at it upside down. When you press the dime into the nickel ONE DIME becomes (roughly) EMID ENO. But rotate it around so it is upside down and it becomes ONE DIME again except the letters are upside down. But an upside down O E and I look the same as a right side up one. N almost looks the same and M looks like W. Well the M isn't visible but we can see the N.
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 Posted 03/12/2013  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh thanks, did not realize.
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