A Couple 2009 Error Pennies?

Hello!

I have a couple 2009 pennies.

One of Lincoln's double thumb,
the other penny has some sort of groove/gouge(maybe planchet damage before its cladding?).

Can anyone tell they're worth, judging from the pictures and description?
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Penny 1. Lincoln's thumb:
This one has some light corrosion spots and overall the luster has faded(appears it was cleaned),
but all the details are still very fine.
(Bottom left has an area of pits).







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Penny 2. Groove/Gouge:
(Reverse side: "Lincoln's log". Formative Years in Indiana.)


It would seem that if this was a scratch/gouge, the under laying core metal would show through
and the edges would have been raised(flared upward) a bit, but no zinc is visible and no raised edge.
What else could have caused such a clean groove after cladding?










...any info would be great!

Thank you! :)

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