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Second Opinion On 1799 Large Cent

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This coin is up for auction as a 1799. I'm a bit skeptical. I'm thinking it's a 1798 S-174. Any thoughts?

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With that grade and those pics, I could say this looks like S-174, 188, or 189. What are you seeing that speaks for the former, or against the latter two?
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On the obverse, I was able to match up the position of the I in LIBERTY. On the reverse, there is a distinctive die crack below the bow that runs through the upper 1 in the fraction. I'm pretty sure that I see it in that coin.
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Not an expert at all but ask Condor101 and I'm sure he will nail it down for you.
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That isn't a die crack on the reverse it's a die clash. One that the 174 is really known for. None of the 99's are really known for a strong die clash through there. The 188 does have a clash of the top of the head in the late die states but it is lowere basically running below the 1 instead of through it. What I can see of the date does not look to me like a 99. What I am really trying to make out in the images, and failing, is the relationship between the R in LIBERTY and the highest wave of hair below it. On 174 it is below the upright of the R, on the 1799's it is to the right of the center of the R.

Basically I can't say that it is an S-174 but I think it is, I really DON'T believe it to be a 1799.
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Thanks Conder. My basic 1799 approach is to test to see if it isn't not a 1799 (does that make sense?). Then as most mistaken 1799s are 1798s, I see if it matches a 1798.

I did some photo overlays. The left edge of the I was the only obverse letter strong enough to identify. It did not line up with where the I should be on either 188 or 189. However, the bow, face and hair as well as the upper circle of the last number of the date matched 189 outstandingly well. The reverse, with the exception of the 1 in the fraction also was a great match. I can see why the seller and three dealers he took it to, said it was genuine.

I was able to align the I to about 3 or 4 1798 varieties. The berries on the reverse matched up on just two. The 1 and the die clash did match on 174 only.

Anyway, I've informed the seller. Oddly, when I offered to identify the coin, the seller was enthusiastic and communicative. Now they aren't. Guess I'll need to contact Judith at ebay.
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I'm far from a Large Cent expert but I'd say one thing about that coin. I wouldn't want one in that condition in my Album.
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For 1793, 1799, and 1804, it's hard to be choosy if you can't drop about $50,000.
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