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New Member
Canada
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Hello. I'm new to this forum, but felt compelled to post this. I came across something odd last night. I suspect that an eBayer might be selling fake Victoria one cents coins (and some of his silver looks suspect as well). I understand that as a new member, I cannot post links. If you search on ebay for the following string, you'll find two of the coins currently at auction "(1893, 1901) canada large cent (Lt14-12, Lt10-15)." You can then see his ebay name and search his current and past listings. Several of his cents look very similar, off color, mushy, odd dates in some cases, and an odd strike. Just wondering what others think. Fake or authentic? It's unusual to sell fake low-value coins, but I've seen it before. |
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Valued Member
Canada
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I see no suspect coins. It appears to me many of his coins may have been cleaned which he doesn't mention, but he appears to fairly label his listings and grades IMO.
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New Member
 Canada
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Thanks for your reply. Did you also look at his recently sold listings? Virtually all are distressed in similar ways. I remain skeptical. I have a 1909 Edward (purchased elsewhere) that would easily grade EF, but it weighs 5.13 grams and has other issues. So there definitely are fakes out there in the common large cents.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Hi dude, Welcome to CCF... :) In the spirit of full disclosure, I am an ebay seller myself... I did look at this sellers current listings and past sold items... All of the coins are genuine... none are "fakes"... But the've all been heavily "whizzed"... polished by using a high-speed buffing device... It just amazes me that all of his buyers have left positive feedback... just goes to show you that there are many uneducated and inexperienced novice collectors out there gettin' burned by unscrupulous sellers... :( Take care, and Have a Great Evening! cameron93 Edited by cameron93
03/14/2013 8:29 pm
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New Member
Canada
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Thanks for the welcome! Would whizzing leave behind a fairly uniform black patina?
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I agree .. cleaned and then whizzed/polished.... yes, it can leave black behind. Just because a 1909 weighs 5.13g doesn't make it a fake .. any wear reduces the weight and the planchets may or may not have been 5.67 to start with.
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Valued Member
Canada
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You have to remember coins that are as old as these were not made with the technology we have today so you are bound to find weight discrepancies out there. Finding discrepancies can raise a flag but I wouldn't use it as a definitive way of detecting fakes especially with coins from this era.
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Canada
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 Skinny Dude, generally counterfeiters deal with fakes that they can pass as original with a trend value of $500.00+, anything less than this is a waste of their time and effort! So if you've puchased a possible fake coin for a few dollars, don't worry, it's probably the real Mccoy! Glenn  Edited by glenzy1
03/14/2013 11:03 pm
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United States
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Welcome Skinny dude. You are getting some good perspective here. A lot of things can be done to a real coin, or just plain old wear and tear. Although glenzy1 makes a good point for collectable coins, there are tons of fake loonies, toonies, British pounds etc. that were designed to pass in commerce not in the collectible coin market. At one point there was a place in Montreal that was churning these things out at such a pace it was nicknamed the Montreal mint. That said, the Chinese will counterfeit anything and there are lots of low cost coins Canadian and US coins that have come into the NA market from a couple of counterfeiters in China. Below is a link to the RCMP site that has photos of the counterfeit coins, thanks to Mike Marshal. Mike single handedly got the flood of this stuff shut done in Canada. I wrote an article for the CN Journal on the Counterfeit Cents and also wrote a blog piece on the subject. Links below. RCMP Site http://bc.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.a...contentId=-1CN Journal Article http://issuu.com/dan_in_crystal_lak...or=%23222222Blog Articles http://victorialargecents.blogspot....archive.html |
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New Member
Canada
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Dan, I looked at your web site just a couple of days ago. Good info! Slightly off topic, but what do you guys make of the supposed proliferation of fake American Morgan dollars? There is a YouTube video entitled "Testing counterfeit Morgan / Peace" that appears to show a fake, high quality, common 1921 dollar. There's a recent forum site where the theme is that it's become "epidemic." And there are other sites claiming that junk silver, especially the dollars, are now being faked. One claim was that dealers reported something like 2% of all bags of junk dollars as fake. So, is this just fear-mongering without proof, or is there really a problem? My point is, if low-value Morgan's are worth faking, would not the same be true for other coins. Granted, low-grade Victoria's are really low value, but $35 Morgan's are not the $500 coins that glenzy noted above. |
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