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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Rush to ATMs in Cyprus on EU bailout tax http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/16/new...t/index.htmlCould this cause a rush into precious metals and other hard assets? Depositors in countries like Greece, Spain, Portugul, and Italy are likely watching this unfold with great interest because their countries might be next to impose such one time taxes on deposits.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Logically you would think yes. But in this totally controlled paper metals market doubt you will see much bump, as the banksters will use their naked shorts to hold the price down. If it creates a run on banks globally, then there should be a sustained upward price movement in the metals.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Some people may turn that way, others may go to stocks. Id suspect most people will just put the cash under their mattress with how much they would would lose buying pms and selling when they needed cash
Edited by basebal21 03/18/2013 12:41 am
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The Cypriot Government is trying to catch the rich people, not the poor ones. You can't get much money out of poor people, they haven't got much to pay out.
What happened in Greece is that the rich people moved their investments to anywhere outside Greece so as to avoid the risk of loosing some of them, either by leglislation opr market downturn. That indirectly put even more stress on Greek Government debt.
Most of the richest people in Cyprus own accommodation of one sort or another outside Cyprus, so they just moove out, taking their investment assets with them. A lot of those rich people are not even Cypriot.
What you WILL find, though, will be an immediate downturn (hopefully temporary), on World stockmarkets of about 1% to 2%.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The "tax" is 9% for accounts over 100K(euro?) & 6.75% for accounts under that. It's a penalty imposed on anyone that lived below their means & saved. Things like this make me want to scream. While all my friends & neighbors are buying new cars every couple years, taking luxury vacations & buying ever larger houses I drive a junker, live in a modest home & go on budget vacations. Consequently I have some money. Why on earth anyone thinks it's ok to take some of that is beyond my comprehension.
Having said that....I don't think we will see a huge rush into PMs.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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In the early 1950's, the top tax rate for the very rich in France and the U.K. was 95%. In other words, most of what they had in income was paid out in tax.
It has obviously dropped a long way since then, but the very rich did have a major part to do with preventing the French and the U.K. economies sinking into oblivion, as did that of Germany after WW1.
I have heard a professional economic opinion that the the very rich in the U.S. have underpaid on tax for decades, and with the National debt now at a record level, perhaps they should pay a lot more.
The Australian economy is a lot less egalitarian than it used to be. It has often been said in public economic commentary that Australia has a 'two speed' economy.
By the definition of the very rich, that means an income of more than $1 million per year.
Edited by sel_69l 03/18/2013 09:47 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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You can bet the well connected and politicians in Cyprus moved their money before this came down. Taxes are for the little guys, not the elites and politicians as they always have loop holes to get out of paying. It's been reported that as much as 30% of the money in Cypriot banks was from Russians looking for a tax haven. Don't think that is going to sit well with them.
You can bet there is a lot of money over there going into physical metals but it is being done quietly.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: The "tax" is 9% for accounts over 100K(euro?) & 6.75% for accounts under that. It's a penalty imposed on anyone that lived below their means & saved. Things like this make me want to scream. While all my friends & neighbors are buying new cars every couple years, taking luxury vacations & buying ever larger houses I drive a junker, live in a modest home & go on budget vacations. Consequently I have some money. Why on earth anyone thinks it's ok to take some of that is beyond my comprehension. Exactly, if anything raise sales taxes on certain goods not penalize people for being responsible. Quote: I have heard a professional economic opinion that the the very rich in the U.S. have underpaid on tax for decades, and with the National debt now at a record level, perhaps they should pay a lot more. No one should ever have to pay those levels they paid in france or should even half to pay half of what they earn yet they do. The miniscule amount we could raise hiking up taxes would do nothing for the debt, we could take every penny from everyone in the country and still not pay off the debt and everyone would be left with nothing. We just spend way to much and waste to much money
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Valued Member
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I have heard a professional economic opinion that the the very rich in the U.S. have underpaid on tax for decades, and with the National debt now at a record level, perhaps they should pay a lot more.
The Australian economy is a lot less egalitarian than it used to be. It has often been said in public economic commentary that Australia has a 'two speed' economy.
By the definition of the very rich, that means an income of more than $1 million per year. The very rich may well be those that have an income of over a million a year. I've never made a 10th of that on a consistant annual basis. I'm not going to get into a discussion of what my net assets are other than to say the only reason I have any is because I saved. Let's put this into perspective. Everyone here has a coin collection that could be considered an asset. Every coin purchase was only possible because you didn't spend the money elsewhere. If you had a relatively modest income but really worked at building your collection to the exclusion of other pursuits for long enough you might even have enough coins that some people might believe you are "rich". How would you feel if the government suddenly decided that you need to give up 6.5-10% of your collection?
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Valued Member
United States
380 Posts |
I would feel like moving my assets somewhere else.
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Valued Member
United States
151 Posts |
It's a very interesting story. I have been wondering about whether or not a select few had advanced notice ever since the story broke. I assume the friends and immediate family of whoever was involved had a heads up, but beyond that . . . we need WIKIleaks type action to get any real answers I fear.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
632 Posts |
You can not tax your way out of debt... just saying....
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Valued Member
United States
380 Posts |
What? If you shoot your milk cow for meat, you won't have any more milk? Geniuses
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36558 Posts |
Europe is the test bed for future global financial plans. Watch everything that happens over there carefully and stay aware.
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Valued Member
Canada
281 Posts |
Quote: "in this totally controlled paper metals market doubt you will see much bump, as the banksters will use their naked shorts to hold the price down. If it creates a run on banks globally, then there should be a sustained upward price movement in the metals"."Russians looking for a tax haven. Don't think that is going to sit well with them"."Europe is the test bed for future global financial plans. Watch everything that happens over there carefully and stay aware." All your comments are spot on. What a reality shattering moment to realize the trust between your bank and your wealth is now broken for ever. As one reporter wrote;"this is a beta-test" and even though the parliament voted down the bank robbery, the seed is now planted in the mind of depositors world wide and I suspect Italians,Spaniards and others will slowly but surely empty out their accounts. As for the Russians, well they'll make an offer Cyprus will NOT refuse.Frigates can be a convincing tool
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