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Valued Member
United States
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I just got this 1851 large cent and upon looking at the reverse it has something weird going on around the E in ONE. There are several parallel raised lines. They are too straight to be die polishing marks I think. Maybe clashing with another denomination with a shield on it? I couldn't find any reference to a listed variety.    Any thoughts would be appreciated. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like a clash, but what the clash is from is the big question.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Found these lines on the die variety Newcomb-19, but possibly only visible on what is deemed die state c. Seems a relapping of the die may have eliminated them by Grellman die state d. May need a major large cent expert to tell us if there are any theories as to what caused the marks, but this should give you somewhere to start. Check out this listing, if you're registered with Heritage Auctions (which is free): http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=20481 |
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Valued Member
 United States
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That is it ! N-19. Must be lapping lines because no mention is given concerning the lines in any of the n-19's listed on Heritage but it seems to be present on all of them. Bummer! I thought I had stumbled on to some unknown till now rare die clashing between a large cent and some other denomination.  Thanks for your quick, and correct, response! |
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Valued Member
United States
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I have a 1851 with the same lines. Before I got the N-19 advice, we theorized a clash with another denomination but when we searched, nothing else matched.
The other theory for the lines was a cleaning of the die with a tool by the worker/engraver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To be honest, those look more like lathe lines. However, their focal point is not the center of the coin, and the circumference does not match that of the large cent. My conclusion would certainly be die lines. I'm not familiar with the die positioning of the series, but I suspect the reverse was the anvil.
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Pillar of the Community
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Could they be from lady Liberty's hair?
Edited by 7TF
04/02/2013 03:57 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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At first glance, those lines appear to be the same width as the hair, but when considering a die clash from the obverse to the reverse, you have to imagine Liberty's image superimposed on the reverse upside down and backwards. When you do that, it's very hard to see how the pattern of her hair would have gotten placed in that spot.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 It looks like you would need a 180 degree die rotation to consider a die clash. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Possibly a 90 degree rotation. A 180 degree rotation would put liberty's hair above the O in ONE not the E.
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