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 Posted 05/03/2007  4:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm not even sure where this one came from or if it is even a coin:

Name-That-Coin............

Name-That-Coin............
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 Posted 05/03/2007  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my eyes - there isn't a single recognizable part of the design :( Sorry.

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 Posted 05/03/2007  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The abstract design looks Celtic to me. I see a rider on horseback, if you rotate the lower image about 60 degrees clockwise.
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 Posted 05/03/2007  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a base-silver jital from pre-Islamic Afghanistan, sometime in the period 800-1000 AD. The series is called "Bull and Horseman", and were widely copied for several hundred years, the design slowly degrading with time (just like in the Celtic series). They were still being made in the region, even after the Islamic conquest.

The top two coins on this page are the ones you're looking for. For your coin, the top picture is the reverse, showing a Hindu bull - the pic is upside down. The bottom pic shows the king on horseback, and "right way up" is about 90 degrees clockwise; the long stroke cutting clear across the coin is the king's spear or staff, and should be vertical.
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 Posted 05/03/2007  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap it wouldnt surprise me if you could tell us what the guy who minted it had for lunch :D
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Sap, you are amazing!!
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Sap it wouldn't surprise me if you could tell us what the guy who minted it had for lunch :D Lol, Lol markn you are probably right
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Sap is awesome!
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 Posted 05/03/2007  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap, I bow to your superior knowledge. I probably would have spent the rest of my life not knowing what that coin is.
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quote:
Sap, you are amazing!!

I second that ! ! T r u e l y A m a z I n g ! !

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 Posted 05/04/2007  02:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it's easy when you already have a couple in your collection... that were identified for you when you bought them...

Here are mine. This first one is earlier than snowman's one, and the design elements are clearly visible as a horseman and a bull:
Name-That-Coin............ Name-That-Coin............

This second one is later than snowman's one, and the design has gone even more "Celtic". The gun-shaped thing in the middle of the obverse is the remnants of the horseman's spear and arms, while there's not much left of the bull except for the rump, shoulder-ball and head:
Name-That-Coin............ Name-That-Coin............

I have a third jital, from even later - it's from the Islamic Ghaznavid dynasty, Lahore mint. It's even blacker, baser silver - I've boosted the contrast on this pic so you can see something. There are two types of jital from this period; one has the remnants of the bull on the reverse (A# 1663), the other has "inscriptions" (A# 1664). I suspect this may be a "bull remnant" type, because I can't make out any inscription there; not in Arabic, anyway:
Name-That-Coin............ Name-That-Coin............

The Wayne G. Sayles book "Ancient Coin Collecting VI: Non-Classical Cultures" has a page or two covering these coins.
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 Posted 05/04/2007  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
" Well, it's easy when you already have a couple in your collection... that were identified for you when you bought them..."

And humble, too!
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 Posted 05/10/2007  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quick, precise and informative as uusual Sap

Nice coins snowman

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