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Hello all, I got bored and decided to use my scope to look over my type set. A couple of years ago, I picked an 1810 large cent in F-VF for $13. Couldn't believe it when the overdate slapped me in the face. I had never even louped this coin over. Anyway, are there any reverse die combinations for this coin? The reverse die doesn't seem to match S-281, although the overdate is unmistakable. Also, there is a rim Cud under the 18 in the date, which probably made the seller think it was damaged. This tells me the obverse die was on its last leg, and a possibility that the reverse die is different than the S-281. Cheers. |
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Only one 1810 overdate die pairing I'm aware of, and that's S-281. Any chance of a pic?
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Yeah, give me a few days. I'm not set up for pictures right now, and don't plan on setting up until a small, unsearched horde of over 800 IHCs arrive!! The coin is in this thread, though the pictures are bad... https://goccf.com/t/104355(BTW - that thread lists this purchase at $31, which is a typo. I keep record of all my purchases.) Edited by Drsandman2
04/13/2013 11:00 pm
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The 1810/09 obv is only paired with one rev and it is the only reverse where the POL below the final S in STATES is to the left of the right edge of the S. I haven't checked Breen but I don't believe the S-281 comes with a rim Cud below the 18. |
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The pic on the other thread could pass for S-281 for me. The position of stars to denticles looks right on. Don't know if I would call that a Cud, though; can't see a well demarcated edge of a piece of lost die. Perhaps some uneven wear from a die bulge or PMD. What do you think is off about the reverse? I know I've been looking a long time at that rather large space between E and D, but the other letter positions are better for S-281 than the other 4 varieties of 1810. |
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Hello,
Where can anyone obtain a CCF-accepted on-line list of these S-*** numbers having corresponding photos to better understand these type of coin anomalies?
Thanks,
mdpmedia
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Agree with philadelphian. That's an S-281 reverse. Look at the position of the T and D in UNITED. Almost thought the obverse was S-283, but it's also S-281.
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mdpmedia, The Heritage Auctions site, http://www.ha.com , can be searched for variety numbers alone, turning up great pics, of so many specimens that you can often get a good idea of die states for a given variety. The un-updated PCGS CoinFacts site, http://www.coinfacts.com , has a page for every die variety of a given coin, though not always with pics, but often with links to the other varieties sharing an obverse or reverse die. The personal site of EAC member Tom Deck, http://www.largecents.net , has nice pics of each of Mr Deck's largely complete varietal collection, each with a snippet of info that may or may not be useful to someone educating themselves on die varieties. |
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Tom's set is nice but nowhere near "largely complete". In my opinion the best site is the Goldberg Archives for the Dan Holmes sales. Every single variety except 1825 N-5 (Re-discovered after Dan's collection was sold) and 1851 N-42 (Unique and the owner wouldn't sell it to Dan.) The 51 N-42 is actually the only one not represented in the sale though. The 25 N-5 is the Obv of N-4 with the reverse of N-10. The only other variety not in Dan's collection was 1793 NC-5, and the ANS loaned the sale the unique piece so that every early date variety was pictured in the catalog. Early dates http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...ng=1&sale=54Middle dates http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...ng=1&sale=59And late dates http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...ng=1&sale=62 |
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Hey, thanks for all the great feedback folks. I assumed it was a worn Cud below the date, but perhaps it is just some odd wear. I thought I saw some gouges on the reverse that I couldn't see in the S-281. Ya'lls conclusion is good enough for me. Great site there Conder, I didn't know of it. Thanks again all. |
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