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1862 Proof Quarter Opinions

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 Posted 04/16/2013  9:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add morgandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

Do you think this is a proof quarter? Also what grade?

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 Posted 04/16/2013  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wesal94 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know about the grade on the seateds but it appears to have the light scratching that is consistent with being cleaned. I will leave the grading up to someone with a higher pay grade than myself. Beautiful coin though!
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 Posted 04/17/2013  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not look like a proof to me. At best, I think it will grade a low AU but there is good possibility it receives a details grade. There is a scratch in the left obverse field and the toning on the reverse looks questionable.
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 Posted 04/17/2013  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't have that sharp edge look that most proof coins from that era exhibit. I'd say a nice business strike probably grading around AU50/53 may have been cleaned some time ago the retoning is nice and looks original, but I believe it is hiding tale-tell signs of cleaning and hairline scratches. Is that a scratch on the obverse to the left of Liberty? It may be detailed graded for a TPG most likely.
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My first thought is that it is not a proof. Second thought is that Liberty's facial features look very odd. Third thought is unusual texture to the fields and Liberty's shield.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, not a proof and as mentioned, AU50 or so. With all those hairlines, I can not see it NOT getting a cleaned details.
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with the previous posts.

Unfortunately, I don't see a proof coin here. It appears cleaned and then re-toned. I also suspect tooling to enhance Liberty's facial features.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, toning certainly looks suspect.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a certified proof 1862 Quarter for comparison. It is also marked as cleaned. No scratches just spotting. This is a scan and makes the spotting look worse than it is to the eye. The spotting is toning spots.

I don't think your 1862 is a proof.



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 Posted 04/22/2013  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not a proof.

AU

and cleaned
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