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 Posted 04/21/2013  02:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
it is lead has FRANK SMITH across the middle and
SIR JOSEPH BANKS PAVILLION around the eadge and a trace od a date 184? looks very old I thought it was a coin trial when I found it on the bottom of a tin of coins from the flea markets any help would be great I cant find anything about it on google

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 Posted 04/21/2013  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks interesting.

Sir Joseph Banks was a famous botanist, scientist and collector during the 18th and 19th centuries.

His coin collection and to some extent his sister, Sarah's, was a significant portion of the foundation of the British Museum's coin collection; and parts of his other collections are to be found in other (mainly London) museums.

There is or was the Sir Joseph Banks Pavilion, now part of Sydney Zoo, Australia - see http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...6998,6494723

Sir Joseph was pictured on an Australian banknote.

He died in 1820, so perhaps the pavilion was named after him.

There's a lot of info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Banks
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 Posted 04/21/2013  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would very much hope that no Australian would ever require a Yank to explain to them who Joseph Banks was! Hope you're not offended, shanew!
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 Posted 04/21/2013  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Several articles from the Sydney Morning Herald from about 1880-83 refer to Mr Frank Smith as the the proprietor of the Sir Joseph Banks Hotel in Botany Bay, site of the Sir Joseph Banks Pavilion:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/list?id=23336
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 Posted 04/21/2013  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks boys got some info on frank smith and the pavilion but nothing on the token or lead has any one seen it before or a listing any were about a token or how they payed
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 Posted 04/22/2013  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Circus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be something as simple as a cheap tourist type souvenir token, of a visit to the site. As lead back in the day didn't have as bad rap as it does now. It would be cheap to produce and a profit could be made on the selling of them.
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 Posted 04/22/2013  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well it looks to be very rare then even as a souvenir token there seams to be no outher I can track down
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 Posted 05/03/2013  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just above the franksmith in the you can see 2 small nostrals and a buffalo head contacted the sir joseph banks museum and they say its a token for the first zoo in Australia they have a record of them but never have seen one could be the only one existing dated 1875
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 Posted 05/11/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well found a museum for sir joseph banks and they had never seen it before this was the site of the first zoo in Australia below is a reply from the museum
Thank you for contacting us. I have never seen this coin and even though it is battered I think it's amazing. I have attached a PDF about the history of the Sir Joseph Banks Hotel. Information specifically on the zoo is on page 6. Apologises for the quality, the scan is from a document made years ago.

If you're interested about the site today, I found this blog entry online. In 1988 the council got funding to create sculptures of Zoo animals. They look a little sad today, but I'm sure they were a good idea at the time. http://pastlivesofthenearfuture.wor...-botany-nsw/

We don't know how much it cost to enter the Zoo, but we will do some research into it and get back to you if
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