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Acceptable Coin Cleaning?

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 Posted 05/12/2007  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleDie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should never clean a coin unless it will grade AU58 or better. Even then you should look at it closely under a microscope or 10x loop to see if their is a bunch of contact marks.

If you don't and clean the coin then you will always be disappointed.
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 Posted 05/12/2007  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK NumisMattyUK. It appears you don't have Acetone, may not want any, can't afford or don't know where to get it in the UK, so here are some ideas. If the coins in question are not valuable, mostly Copper, you may want to try Lemon or Orange Juice in some type of Pyrex Glass container and heat slowly. Many Citrus type juices are slightly acidic and the addition of heat should help clean off most contaminates such as the glues and dirt. Tomatoes, apples also contain slight acids. Vinegar heated also will remove some of the stuff on coins. If you try these methods you really should use a heating type glass container such as Pyrex though. Putting any coin in any solution in a metalic pan and heating it could create transfering of metalic substances from the pan to the coin. Regardless of what you use still remember that some of the material you remove will be part of the coin decreasing it's value.
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 Posted 05/14/2007  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Confused. Might try vinegar...they are not worth too much anyway, laari pieces up to 1 rufiyaa.

"You should never clean a coin unless it will grade AU58 or better. Even then you should look at it closely under a microscope or 10x loop to see if their is a bunch of contact marks."

Problem is, what sort of a grade is an already done in coin covered in glue?
The glue has tarnished the better metal ones at least one one side.

Curiously...... the lighter metal coins are okay; now does this give anyone a clue as to what glue it is? I have removed the stuff from the lower laaris, 1, 2, 5 ..... more or less completely but it seems to have stuck to the others quite solidly
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 Posted 05/14/2007  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been meaning to try Spray and Wash on some grimey non-valuable coins just to remove the oil from human hands on pocket change, then rinse throughly and air dry. first will check the spray and wash with some litmus paper I have to determine the PH. Anyone try this before?
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 Posted 05/14/2007  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cleaning coins should be limited to coins where there is damage being done by some substance or corrsive on the coin.

dirt ,tarnish ,toning and other similar types of circumstances do not come to the level where cleaning should be considered.

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 Posted 05/16/2007  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone has an opinon on the delimma of "to clean or not to clean" IMHO it is OK to "clean" a coin in terms of conserving it and protecting it from further damage, etc. I am primarily referring to coins removed from circulation which undoubtedly have much on their surfaces, I have some AU and very nice coins that over the years have developed an unsightly fingerprint directly in the center of the coin. To my mind, removing surface dirt and oils that accumulate from circulation in order to keep the coin from degrading is acceptable; as long as none of the material the coin is made out of is altered or removed.

Have heard many people recommend Acetone. I bought a can last evening to try. when I got home I ran a "unscientific" PH test using some strips from the health food store that I bought. compared against the laundry stain remover "Shout", the Shout was more akaline by about .5 than the Acetone. If acid is bad and Acetone is OK, then Shout should be better (?). I used Shout and Spray and Wash to clean my hands of grease after working on the car and it does a wonderful job in the absence of prof. hand cleaner like Go-JO.

Next I will try two similar coins with Acetone and Shout and make comparisons on results and set aside to watch over the months and years.

I just want coins from circulation that remain as pristine as possible without degradation over time, what is wrong with that if no metal is altered or removed and toning is left intact?
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 Posted 05/16/2007  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not meaning to drag this out but just a reminder. Items such as Spray and Wash, Shout, misc soaps, cleaners, etc. may contain different chemical forulae from time to time. In other words something you try on a coin today may have different results tomorrow due to the manufacturer changing the composition of the product. Note even Acetone is purchased in a metalic container where it may have sat in a store for years. With Acetone I suggest you first put some in a clean glass dish and allow to evaporate. If there is a whitesh residue, the Acetone may have disolved some of the inner lining of the metal can. This is also possible with any solvent such as Spray and Wash, Shout, etc. Regardless, any valuable coin should never be cleaned or it will no longer be valuable.
This is sort of like taking a 500 year old table and sanding it down, painting it blue to match something in your house.
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 Posted 05/18/2007  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Just Carl, anything valuable should never be cleaned. I clean pocket change (but not copper) to make it more appealing to me, I don't like to open a folder of coins with some that have unsightly fingerprints, dirt, grime, grease, etc on them. I think the coin would degredate over time if these were allowed to remain, and since there is not great value at the present; don't think anything will be lost in the process. If pocket change can survive in circulation I don't think a mild cleaning will hurt.

I tried Acetone and Spray and wash and don't like either.
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 Posted 05/18/2007  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not read all the posts but I do have a definite answer to one of your questions (may have already been answered but oh well) I know for a fact (because I have done it myself) that the top 3 TPG's will grade a coin after it has been soaked in acetone and not consider it to be cleaned. The reason I know this is I have sent coins to both NGC and PCGS that I have done this to the coins before sending them and one coin was even a copper coin so even if you have heard acetone will mess up copper coins it sure didn't mine and as I said all coins came back slabbed and graded by both NGC and PCGS. I have also tried the same experiment with a product called MS70 but that time I did not test with a copper coin they were all silver dollars and were sent to both PCGS and NGC again and all came back graded and slabbed. I have not tested any other way so I can't comment on them but I do know that they think of these two methods as acceptable cleaning even though some collectors may not
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 Posted 05/23/2007  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, how long did you leave the coins in the acetone? Any recommended max time?
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 Posted 05/23/2007  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Bryan, how long did you leave the coins in the acetone? Any recommended max time?


With regard to silver, there is essentially no time limit. Acetone should be completely benign to silver, even if you leave it there for months. Of course, the acetone will evaporate long before that, and you'd want to change the bath daily to remove anything suspended in the acetone, but there is no "limit" simply because acetone and silver don't care at all about each other.

I've never had reason to play with acetone and copper. I'm aware of research indicating that a reaction is possible in the presence of light, but that's all I can relate on the subject.
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 Posted 05/24/2007  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In all this thread there is plenty of discussion of soaps, mild acids and acetone. But has anyone had much experience with ammonia? I've tried it on some heavily tarnished, common date, AU+ Peace dollars, and have found that it lightens the tarnish without having any noticeable effect on luster. It doesn't take a coin back to blast white - more like going from dark chocolate to light coffee.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 05/25/2007  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never use an acidic solution on a copper coin. You will get a stripped unnatural looking surface. That includes orange juice, lemon juice or vinegar.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baller4Life to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion, u should never clean a coin at all. But thats just me.
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 Posted 05/26/2007  05:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only acceptable cleaning is the one no numismatist can detect
under whatever magnification or light of his choosing .

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