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1911 50 Cent Coin That's Very Dark.. Tough Test In Grading..

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 Posted 04/29/2013  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nicklesguy...Thanks for your comments

....and this is how a 'new guy back in' learns. I had no idea that ICCS has changed or that toning also gets punished by them.

Thanks for that much needed info...D.."Keep it coming"..
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 Posted 04/29/2013  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add northcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank goodness you have not been put off by the previous response. I for one appreciate the coins you post and find it a learning experience. KEEP IT UP. THANK YOU !!
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 Posted 04/29/2013  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cameron93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Apparently I have been "officially warned"...



Here is my "MORE MODERATE" response... :)

It's obvious that devlec took the "abusive nature" of my comments in the sarcastic spirit that was intended...


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Seems like I touched a nerve with Cameron...that's cool..!!..and I like the "spirited" response,..


Hey, I'm just gettin' into Stanley Cup playoffs mode LOL


devlec went into the corners with his elbow up high and took a sarcastic cheap shot at me... I responded in kind...

I've seen far worse than my, as devlec called it "spirited" response here on CCF, without intervention by the referees... I think we're big enough to work things out with "free speech"...

If moderator wants to take the time to look at all of my previous posts I think he will see that I have brought a lot of valuable information to the forum and done it in a respectful way...

Yes, as devlec has responded he touched a nerve and I responded in kind... my sincere apologies to the faint-of-heart that found my response so abusive as to warrant running off to tell the teacher...

And I will certainly refrain from commenting on devlec's parade of "look-at-what-I've-got" in the future.

Take care, and Have a Great Day!

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PS:

It would be real nice to see some more of our more vocal "valued members" put their money where their keyboards are and become "valued financial supporters"...

If you're a regular user of the forum and get a lot of enjoyment from being a member how about buckin' up at least the minimum $5 a month to contribute to the costs of running this fantastic site...

Respectfully (and moderately) submitted,

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The 1882H specimen looks nice. As long as there are not carbon spots on the reverse, I suspect PCGS would grade it slightly higher, if the surfaces were immaculate with a 10x lens.

That said, even PCGS will punish the colour and toning of a coin, if the eye-appeal is not there. How one quantifies eye-appeal is beyond me, but I have had beautiful coins, weakly struck, graded lower than anticipated by PCGS. My 1967 DC-34 pattern piece is a perfect example - that coin _should_ be SP-65...

https://goccf.com/t/143013

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 Posted 04/29/2013  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do have a pic of the Reverse and I will try to get it up here soon.

If I remember correctly,..it's not as nice as the Obverse,..probably a bit darker.

The sunshot really worked well on the 11 50 cent piece. I'll try that and see if it's an improvement on the 1882 Specimen.
Who wants to see a coin if you can't see the surfaces well.
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 Posted 04/29/2013  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow both those specimen coins are beautiful...
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Devlec , keep posting some of your neat stuff and welcome back to the hobby. As a dealer , yes I do like to move coins down the road so to speak, but the collector in me always appreciates great coins. Some of the most fun I have had is buying quality coins for appreciative customers. The only problem Is I have to remove the "drool" I put all over them before placing in a cool top notch collection.
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 Posted 05/08/2013  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is that long awaited Reverse pic that was requested.
Darker than the Obverse ..as I had remembered..



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Here is a clearer pic of the 1882 Obverse .. 2 sheets of plastic to shoot through. Doesn't come out as I would prefer.

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Judging by the toning, it looks like that coin was treated with acetone, perhaps it was previously lacquered and then removed? Acetone can cause a photo-chemical reaction on mint state copper and bronze... Any idea what is causing the dark spotting on the reverse beads at 4 o'clock and at the base of leaf 9 and 11? Those do not look like carbon spots, at least from afar...

Nonetheless, it is sure nice seeing a fully struck specimen cent, basically as the coin's engraver had intended it to be. Thanks for sharing.
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I would say that there was a coat of lacquer on it when I had it,.. and when ICCS received it. They did a lot of my cents at the same time and did not include the "Lacquered" notation on all of them that I feel did have some lacquer on them. The shine kind of gives it away.

This 1882 has a few more dark areas on the Reverse that are not easily seen in these pics. At 5:30 and 8 PM as examples of dark areas around the leaves. I received it like that and can't say what put the darkness there. I've thought that maybe the lacquer had caused the darkness, but the darkness is real and only on the Reverse. Hopefully the present holder will protect it now.

When I received it,it was not in a plastic flip but was in a soft 2x2 kind of slip pouch. I've never seen another holder like it again.
It was a trade of "coins for coins" ..back in the early 80's.
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