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I've tried to give you the very best pics possible for this 50 cent coin. Dark coins under 2 sheets of clear plastic make it really tough to see well and/or grade. Please give it your best shots..   |
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This coin "was" MS64.Looks like it's been mistreated since.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
04/27/2013 2:24 pm
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Looks like an MS-64 to me as well !
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MS-62, ICCS tends to punish dark toned coins, no matter how nice the surfaces. That does not mean I agree with their grade, it is tough to tell without the coin in hand, but it looks MS-63 or better.
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I will take a stab at
ms-63.
I have seen dark coins like that in Toronto with MS-65 on them and just walked on by. At that time (long ago) there were too many question marks indeed. It is all becoming clear now.
Nice coin.
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This was a kind of a tough test. Even in the hand, it's tough to see the high points or to see and count the beads/jewels in the Obverse crown. ..but it is perfectly centered and has a super strike. The only way for me to get some reflectivity to help you see the surface, was to take the pics with the sun low on the horizon and placed solidly,... and the camera held solid and fixed in place. This coin comes from this case 7a as listed in the Charlton catalogue. They say that it was never issued,..but I wonder how many case 7a's are actually out there..? You can just see the gold 11 remaining on the outer surface along with some of the gold print.    |
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The pic in the catalogue seems to show only half of the original case. Might have been broken in that catalogue pic.
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Thank you. Graded sometime in the 90's by ICCS.  |
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Funny how ICCS does not give the gem grades to the bronze specimen coins that have toned brown... A large specimen cent could be flawless, but if it is brown, ICCS rarely grades it above SP-63...
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Nothing "funny" about it at all... in fact it's a shameful disgrace that there is so much inconsistency in the grading by ICCS and PCGS... especially when they are accepted by the general Canadian coin community as the top 3rd party certificating bodies...
On any given day it appears any given grader could certify a coin within a step or two either direction... they seem to be just throwing darts at the same dartboard as the rest of us... without any more or less accuracy than the experienced collector...
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You guys know a lot more about these grading issues than me. I'm not in any circle of numismatics and have been out of the loop for many years. I'm learning a lot here by asking questions and hoping that some of you have info on the many topics and coins that we see here. Cameron...No one can buy any coins on ebay using your "mantra". Question... Does anyone here know why the Charlton says that no 7a 1911 specimen cases were issued, yet there is the one that I have? ...and ....I only need one more piece to fill that case...  BTW...Here's a brown 1882 specimen cent of mine,..but graded SP 64.. ... Again, not too many out there to compare to. I also wonder what it would grade as "if" it had more red and brilliance in it. I can't see a mark or contact on it.  |
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You guys know a lot more about these grading issues than me... I'm not in any circle of numismatics and have been out of the loop for many years. and Quote:
I'm learning a lot here by asking questions... Seems to me your humility is a bit postured... All I've noticed you doing since you started posting here is bringing attention to all the high-grade coins you have... The rest of us could be doing this also under the guise of "false modesty" but we've got a bit more class than to be "show-offs"... Re: No one can buy any coins on ebay using your "mantra". Don't bite my finger off... just look to where it is pointing  Do you even know what the word "mantra" means  If you're really here to partake in learning (as opposed to bragging) perhaps you want to think before jumping to conclusions and putting words in other peoples mouths... At what point did I infer "no one can buy coins on ebay"... I've simply (and for the benefit of others that might not have your substantial insight) been pointing out a fact that some novices have yet to discover... and it is that even the so-called "professional" 3rd party graders have a tough time to consistently get it right... By all means BUY COINS ON eBay... Just don't take it for granted that a PCGS or ICCS certified coin is the gospel when it comes to grade assessment... cameron93 Having now received two separate complaints about the abusive nature of your posting from unconnected individuals, you can consider yourself officially warned to be more moderate. |
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DEVLEC you have some nice coins. As SPP has mentioned, ICCS punishes nice toning. I have 3 1911 5 cent SP coins. All are wonderfully toned, fully struck examples. All 3 were in ICCS SP 63 holders. One now resides in a 66 and the other 2 in 65 holders.
IMO ICCS was the leader in grading Canadian coins, but that was years ago. They are too inconsistent to maintain that level today. The fact that dealers and collectors have millions of dollars in the garbage bags and are afraid of value loss is the only reason they are discussed as "top rate".......... again just my opinion.
It is wonderful to see you get back involved in the hobby. Gradeflation is here with more and more people believing what is written on the holders of ALL companies. I grade my series of interest very conservatively and as consistent as I can. I will not use ICCS any longer and struggle with PCGS market grading. I use my eyes, and for series I do not collect I ask for and value the opinion of a close circle of friends like SPP. My keeper coins are all in hard slabs.....not for what the holder says, but for protection.
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Seems like I touched a nerve with Cameron...that's cool..!!..and I like the "spirited" response,.. not that I agree with it. Nice that Cameron feels that he qualifies to answer "for the rest of us"...and "we've got more class". I have some nice coins and now realize more than ever how lucky I was to have very knowledgeable people guiding me back in the 70's and 80's when I was most active. I also have some very poor coins collected before guided in a more selective and quality direction. Showing nice pieces is not bragging as others here also show great pieces. bosox has the most wonderful collection that I've ever heard of and it's amazing for me to see such quality across the his collection. He's not bragging and has worked very hard to get that set to the level it's at. Obviously a lot of dedicated and hard work on his part and with every post, ...available for all of us to see. Many dealers are seen here and then there are some collectors too. For the dealers it's their job...move the coin down the road ....Many new collectors have no clue and are dying to learn as much as possible. I've never bought on ebay, because of what I've seen in the grading companies and the fact that the posted pics rarely do justice to the actual piece being offered. I've recently followed many of the offered links here. My opinion after checking here is that you can't buy from their pics and that you should view the coin in hand...on ebay..that's impossible. I'll have a lot more questions and hopefully the experts here, (and they are here)..will be able to get their knowledge out to us. I'll also keep posting a lot of nice coins for all to view.. Regards, D. Edited by DEVLEC
04/29/2013 09:20 am
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