Grade Opinions Please... :) 1870 Victoria Twenty Five Cent - Page 2

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DBM Pillar of the Community Canada 9871 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 01:44 am @ lambecolin,it's a $20 coin dressed in a $150 suit We never hear from the other side in "Buy The Coin Not The Holder" discussions.Those who want to change this from a knowledge based hobby to a pre-packaged, off-the-shelf pastime. They are winning,the evidence is everywhere coins are sold,they have no need to reply.Most,but not all collectors,have always chosen to follow the herd. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website Edited by DBM 04/30/2013 02:03 am Report this Post to the Staff
trimble Valued Member Canada 299 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 11:02 am Baaaaaaaa (in a sheep like way :) I like buying coins in suits, saves me from my own ignorance (and money) when it comes to grading! I don't have time to be a purist, life gets in the way..but I do love coins. :) You know what bugs me though? Fractional reserve banking, continual government deficits and perpetual rolling over of government debt. Viva Socialism! Report this Post to the Staff
CanadianCollector Valued Member Canada 306 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 12:52 pm cameron93 - I don't see the problem with people posting "high grade valuable coins" on here. It is interesting to see all varieties and grades of coins, not just low grade cheap coins (not that I have many expensive coins myself). I don't see it as "showing off wealth." By the way it would have been interesting to see that quarter when it was new to see how weak the word "cents" was on it. Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 1:01 pm Another "MORE MODERATE" response brought to you by cameron93... DBM - Couldn't have said it better myself... trimble - Apparently there are lots of coin enthusiasts out there like yourself who lack the time to invest in becoming more skilled at the art of assessing grades... I think that's great that you know your own limitations... My point, albeit challenged by the lemmings plunging after each other over cliffs of ignorance, is that believing / accepting that 3rd party graders somehow posess a magical ability to consistently assess proper grades is akin to believing in the Tooth Fairy... Although some seem to want to bite off my finger instead of just looking at where it is pointing, my intention (or "mantra" according to devlec) is to inform the uninformed of this fact... lambecolin - I don't think that this coin was downgraded because of missing details... as is the case with probably 40% of PCGS graded Canada coins this one is just simply mis-graded because the "pros" are in a hurry and are not doing their jobs "professionally", and as a result are prone to making mistakes... Take care, and Have a Great Day! Cam Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 4:38 pm A few more examples of "excellent" (in the spirit of MORE MODERATE responses I will clarify that this is sarcasm and hopefully no one will see it as "abusive") professional work by an "expert" at PCGS... First one is apparently part of the fine Pittman collection... it's obviously vastly overgraded, but the kicker is that they couldn't even get the date right on the slab... marked as 1897 but contains an 1891... This next one AU-53... really? How about VF-25, maybe 30... How can you call yourself a prestigious proffessional coin certification company and call this next one VF-35...? F-12 to F-15 and polished in my opinion... This one can't be more than F-15 in any one's book... Report this Post to the Staff
nickelsguy Pillar of the Community Canada 2301 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 4:44 pm You be preachen da same thangs I besa sayen for 10 years. ICCS is worse. Report this Post to the Staff
trimble Valued Member Canada 299 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 7:49 pm You make me smile cameron93. :) I'm glad you thinks it's great I know my own limitations. ICCS stops me from buying raw coins that may be overgraded, definitely overpriced and occasionally altered from certain sellers. Where's the ignore button, lol. Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 8:32 pm Report this Post to the Staff
trimble Valued Member Canada 299 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 8:46 pm The calendar was nice though..very lovely. :) Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 9:06 pm You're very welcome... :) I really appreciate all your past business! Report this Post to the Staff
54dollarcoin Valued Member Canada 475 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 9:07 pm A few things to impress upon ones cranial cavity before going off of the rails about coin grading. Not all of us see things the same way, however we should almost always see things nearly the same when it comes to grading coins. There are MAJOR differences in the way Americans and Canadians grade coins. We will not even get into how The Brits and Aussies grade. Years ago at a New York coin show I had an offer to get involved in Grading Canadian and world coins with one of the major services. There were about a half dozen or so who were offered much the same thing. The biggest problem was based around eye appeal. Plain said, Americans just see it differently than we do. Once you wrap your head around this, the whole subject becomes quite clear. Canadian coins wether you like it or not are graded and priced based on ICCS standards. American coins are based on an entirely different set of criteria. Once you become proficient and understand how to grade this way, you can be quite successful in buying raw coins. As to the above coin it is indeed a 20 buck coin dressed in an expensive suit. If I had this pass my way in the grading room I could fully justify a NO grade and body bag it or call it a net VG weak strike. Remember learn how to grade to current and evolving standards your self and you will become a successful numismatist. Ragging on the accepted services will get you absolutely nowhere sir! Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 05/01/2013 01:15 am 54$ - Appreciate your input on this topic... :) However... not sure that I'm "going off the rails"... And re: Quote: Ragging on the accepted services will get you absolutely nowhere sir! However, even with your "concise analysis" (once again in the spirit of being "MORE MODERATE" I must explain that this is "sarcasm" and not meant to be "abusive" ) you seem to have missed the purpose of my intentions... Which is about bringing this information to light for those that have not yet come to the understanding that even the accepted top 3rd party graders such as ICCS and PCGS can and do regularly make mistakes... and cannot / should not be relied upon to consistently be correct in their grade assessments... This is important for the newcomer / novice to be aware of... and also for those who are not new to the hobby / addiction that have previously been indoctrinated into believing that 3rd party grading is gospel... Re: Quote: There are MAJOR differences in the way Americans and Canadians grade coins... based around eye appeal... Americans just see it differently than we do. Based on this explanation then are you saying the reason the PCGS examples I have pictured in this post are over-graded is because of their "eye appeal"...? None of the coins would be considered to have much eye appeal at all... they are poor looking coins with obvious flaws that have been over-graded because the "professional" grader was in a hurry and didn't do a professional job. re: Quote: Canadian coins wether you like it or not are graded and priced based on ICCS standards... Not sure what ICCS "standards" are anymore... they seem to be just throwing darts at same dart board as the rest of us... And while I do agree that for some hard-to-understand reasoning coins in ICCS flips do seem to command a bit of a premium... "prices" of most Canadian coins are generally based on the market value of supply and demand... Well, at least we agree regarding original topic regarding the 1870 twenty-five cent piece that, Quote: As to the above coin it is indeed a 20 buck coin dressed in an expensive suit. Although, on further reflection, that coin does have a certain amount of "eye appeal"... Take care, and Have a Great Wednesday! Report this Post to the Staff
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