Grade Opinions Please... :) 1870 Victoria Twenty Five Cent

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cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 12:28 am cameron93 Report this Post to the Staff

Normic67 Pillar of the Community 798 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 01:41 am It looks like maybe a F15 or a F18... around there Report this Post to the Staff
DBM Pillar of the Community Canada 9870 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 03:20 am F15/VF20 1870 25cents have plenty of weak strikes and convex reverses. This coin is suffers from both. IMO not a collectible coin as there are plenty of problem free exmples available. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 03:25 am A bit difficult to grade this one. I would go with a split grading, despite what Sheldon says. Obv.: Some of the hair detail on Vikki is gone, and is starting to wear flat. F12. Rev.: Looks like a Struck Through Grease. High points on the leaves and crown have survived quite well. Can't grade the 'CENTS' area, because mostly, it ain't there. However, VF25. Report this Post to the Staff
SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 06:14 am I agree with DBM's grades Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 6:16 pm I agree with all of your assessments... was thinking F-12, max F-15 myself... Apparently someone at PCGS saw this coin as being worthy of higher grade... cameron93 Report this Post to the Staff
DEVLEC Pillar of the Community Canada 3234 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 6:36 pm I don't have any knowledge about quality of strike like some of you here,... but just look at all of the remaining detail in the leaves. ..and the remaining detail in her crown. Yes..the center Reverse is weak,..and that seems to be a flaw from that year,.."but it's great piece to me".. Crappy heating in 1870...no electricity in 1870 ,...a heck of a life by our present standards ,...and still this great vicky piece survives... Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 10:11 pm What's with all the mumbo-jumbo about no electricity in the 1870's... Sure it's great that coins from that era survived... but does nothing to contribute to the topic... Glad you think "it's great piece"... Point of the exercise is to show that "professional" 3rd party graders are no more accurate or consistent than any experienced collector... cameron93 Report this Post to the Staff
jg86 Pillar of the Community Canada 686 Posts	Posted 04/28/2013 10:20 pm Cameron - I agree with your thoughts, likely F12, maybe F15. Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 04/29/2013 11:06 am My opinion? I am still not happy with PCGS VF30. Nevertheless, I have learned something from this thread, especially from DBM. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 04/29/2013 11:12 am Cameron, we would prefer that you left it to the Moderators to decide when a member needs to be attacked for the content of a post. Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/29/2013 11:35 am Super Dave: I've seen a lot worse go unsanctioned on CCF than my response here to develec on this topic... I certainly don't consider this an "attack" in any way... but I'll keep in mind your preference to be a referee rather than allow us to work out differences of opinion with "free speech"... cameron93 Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/29/2013 12:41 pm PS: It would be real nice to see some more of our more vocal "valued members" put their money where their keyboards are and become "valued financial supporters"... If you're a regular user of the forum and get a lot of enjoyment from being a member how about buckin' up at least the minimum $5 a month to contribute to the costs of running this fantastic site... Respectfully (and moderately) submitted, cameron93 Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10463 Posts	Posted 04/29/2013 1:38 pm There are other ways to be a supporter. Some members send in coins directly to the Forum moderator, for the CCF booth at the ANA and FUN shows - prizes for kids. Other members, like nickelsguy contributes use of images and photography, such as Canadian counterfeit coins. Yet some others, prefer not to be acknowledged as a supporter publicly... I would argue that any 'young numismatist' should NOT have to be a financial supporter - a good part of the reason why I even participate on a site like this, is for sharing information for their benefit. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
cameron93 Valued Member Canada 190 Posts	Posted 04/29/2013 1:45 pm SPP - I totally agree with you in regards to Quote: 'young numismatist' should NOT have to be a financial supporter I was thinking more of the members who like to show off their wealth by continuously posting pictures of their high-grade valuable coins... Report this Post to the Staff
lambecolin Pillar of the Community Canada 618 Posts	Posted 04/30/2013 01:41 am How can a coin like that be graded at all----It is missing details completely. I am totally confused now. Is it a AU coin--down graded because of missing details? Report this Post to the Staff
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