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1958-D Jefferson Double Mint Error Help!

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I found a 1958 D Jefferson nickel with 2 mint errors. I took it to the local coin shop and the guy told me I should send it in to have it looked at professionally and he'd never seen anything like it and I can't find a single article about it. The first error (the one he said he had never seen before) the 8 in 1958 is spaced farther than the other numbers and is smushed and looks more like a B (The date literally looks like 195B). The second error is that the reverse is rotated id say about 10-15 degrees. I'm wondering if anyone has had anything similar or could tell me something about it! help!

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I haven't heard of that coin error either. You might want to have it looked at by a grading service or get a second opinion as mentioned.

Below are some common Jefferson nickel varieties but I don't see yours. Sorry.

Jefferson nickel Varieties

1939 5c Doubled Die Reverse (Doubled MONTICELLO, FIVE CENTS) DDR#1! VG/F $45.00

1948-S/S 5c RPM#1 S/S South. Stage as shown in book. MS65 $24.00, MS66 $35.00

1948-S/S 5c RPM#2 S/S South . Nice variety! MS64 $18.00, MS65 $24.95

1955-D/S 5c OMM#33 MS63 $32.50

1955-D/S 5c OMM#4 MS63 $35.00, MS64 $39.00

1955-D/S 5c OMM#5 MS63 $35.00, MS64, $39.00, MS64/+ $42.00

1955-D/S 5c OMM#8 MS63 $35.00, MS64 $39.00

1955-D/S 5c OMM#10 MS64... $32.50, MS65 $42.00

1955-D/D 5c RPM#1 D/D North (This is the same variety that was originally listed in the Wexler/Miller book at ROM#3) As they come from the roll - average MS63 to MS64 $12.50

1981-D 5c Doubled Die Reverse VCR#1/DDR#1, CONECA-1-R-II. Shows nice doubling on most letters about the rim; strongest on EPU. Sharp earlier die state MS63 $24.95, Gem MS64/+ $35.00

2004-P Peace Nickel "Handshake" 5c Doubled Die Obverse#1. Doubling on this one shows in the entire motto about the rim, the date and Mint Mark. Please note that the later the die state the less pronounced the doubling. On the Late Die State the doubling is barely discernable. Late Die State MS63 $55.00

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I haven't seen this one either. Looking forward to pics
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Your 8 looks like it is damaged. I think ten degrees of rotation is within tolerance. Local dealers are typically not good sources for error advice.
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How do you mean it's damaged? like someone did it on purpose? the guy looked at it under a microscope and said it didn't look like it was tampered with
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the guy looked at it under a microscope and said it didn't look like it was tampered with


That's why pyrbob said what he did about local dealers. Anyone with knowledge of the die creation and minting process would understand how very difficult it would be to create an effect like you're seeing here, at the Mint. I certainly can't think of anything which would cause it, considering that area is recessed on the die and grease fills don't end in sharp edges like that.
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he did say that as well. he said he didn't know how it could of happened. he said it wasnt like someone buffed off part of the 8 because the line on the left would be thin. I have another 1958 d in my collection and I cant see how you could modify it to look the way this one does. I hate to be contrary but I really think this is some sort of error.
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here is my other 1958-D nickel so you can compare. I just dont think it could be sanded down like that and still retain an even thickness.

The "Normal" nickel
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heres another photo of the nickel. I'm sorry they arent better I'm using my phone camera

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Think about it. You can't "sand it down;" it's a negative on the die. If it were a hub defect, many dies would have it and this would therefore already be a widely-known error. It all goes back to understanding the process.
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well thats what I said. I said it couldnt have been tampered with because the line is thick. what do you think could have caused it?
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I won't answer for sure until I get to see your new images on my home monitor; I'm away from home and posting from my smartphone. What I *will* say is, I don't see how this could be other than post-mint damage. Don't quote me yet.
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ok noted. I will say I'm no expert but I did look for myself under the microscope thing he had and it really just looked as if the left side of the 8 was smushed not cut off
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Could well be a rare 195B coin. Made in the year 195 but the second one. First would be the 195A.
Might cost a few dollars but might be worth sending to PCGS or NGC. Or just put it in a box for a possible, maybe error coin. I do that with anything suspicious rather than spending money only to find it's just damage.
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also, the more I look at it, the top half of the 5 looks rather smushed as well. could this be cause by some sort of weird double die?
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It is clearly post mint damage. As mentioned this is not something that would have happened at the mint. There is an angle to the cut. You can see the gouge at the bottom of the cut away area. Also the two gouges would indicate to me that this coin got abused.

Not an error, just damage.
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