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1958-D Jefferson Double Mint Error Help!

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 Posted 04/28/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
here is my other 1958-D nickel so you can compare. I just dont think it could be sanded down like that and still retain an even thickness.

The "Normal" nickel
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The nickel in question
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 Posted 04/28/2013  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
heres another photo of the nickel. I'm sorry they arent better I'm using my phone camera

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 Posted 04/28/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Think about it. You can't "sand it down;" it's a negative on the die. If it were a hub defect, many dies would have it and this would therefore already be a widely-known error. It all goes back to understanding the process.
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 Posted 04/28/2013  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
well thats what I said. I said it couldnt have been tampered with because the line is thick. what do you think could have caused it?
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 Posted 04/28/2013  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I won't answer for sure until I get to see your new images on my home monitor; I'm away from home and posting from my smartphone. What I *will* say is, I don't see how this could be other than post-mint damage. Don't quote me yet.
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 Posted 04/28/2013  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
ok noted. I will say I'm no expert but I did look for myself under the microscope thing he had and it really just looked as if the left side of the 8 was smushed not cut off
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 Posted 04/28/2013  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Could well be a rare 195B coin. Made in the year 195 but the second one. First would be the 195A.
Might cost a few dollars but might be worth sending to PCGS or NGC. Or just put it in a box for a possible, maybe error coin. I do that with anything suspicious rather than spending money only to find it's just damage.
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 Posted 04/28/2013  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
also, the more I look at it, the top half of the 5 looks rather smushed as well. could this be cause by some sort of weird double die?
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 Posted 04/28/2013  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
It is clearly post mint damage. As mentioned this is not something that would have happened at the mint. There is an angle to the cut. You can see the gouge at the bottom of the cut away area. Also the two gouges would indicate to me that this coin got abused.

Not an error, just damage.
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 Posted 04/28/2013  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
Another clue that might indicate this is PMD:
In the last, larger pic, the straight side of your 8 and also the gashes on the front are all reflecting the light in the same way - all are bright. It would seem to point out that whatever hit the front of the nickel to make the long gashes also hit the side of the 8.
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 Posted 04/28/2013  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
What you guys are saying makes sense. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is the holes of the 8. the pictures dont pick it up correctly but when I looked at it under the microscope, the holes in the 8 were also mishapen. they were shaped like D's...now I can see how a hit could remove part of the side of the 8, but how did the inside portion get reshaped?
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 Posted 04/29/2013  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Owassokie to your friends list
arcamonetravis,
Coins like this can be frustrating. When I first started, I thought everyone was too quick to assume damage instead of error. But as mentioned, a greater understanding of the minting process along with many experiences with circulated coins allows some of our more knowledgeable posters to come to a quick conclusion. I wouldn't consider myself one of those posters yet but I will say I've had many experiences with the post mint damaged "8's" that end up looking like a "B". Yours appears to be classic post mint damage. More importantly, there is really no way to conceive of a single coin being minted like yours in error.

The more interesting potential error is the rotated die. If it's 10 degrees, no big deal. If it's 190 degrees, it's a nice find. Take a closer look and see if the reverse is upside down. We don't know if you flipped it up and down or left and right. If you flipped it up/down, then you have a nice error.

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 Posted 04/29/2013  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
The inside of the circles are flattened where the damage is because when the outside chuck was taken off, it also pushed the metal inward giving that effect.
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 Posted 04/30/2013  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arcamonetravis to your friends list
Here is a photo under a microscope

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 Posted 05/01/2013  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
To me it is obviously PMD. I actually can see where the edge of the 8 used to be in the original pictures. Also the rotation on it is within mint tolerance. I was going to say don't go back to that coin dealer...but on second thought...learn as much as you can and then go back...you might find a gem that he has no clue about.

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