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Malaysia
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  I have this coin in my collection for many years but I've no idea where is the origin of this coin. On the coin, there are some words and it doesn't seems to be like english. Please help me to identify the coin. Thanks in advance and your help is highly appreciated. 
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Moderator
 United States
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Looks like a fantasy piece. The bust looks French. The inscription looks like it might be Republic Thaonisce.  Knight of the Coin Table #56 |
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New Member
 Malaysia
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Hmm, Republic Thaonisce....let me try googling for that.
Aw, I can't find anything about Republic Thaonisce
Edited by chicaman
05/12/2007 2:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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The image is used on French coins in 1849-50 (Second Republic) and the 1870's (Third Republic).
The layout of the words is similiar, with the French coins saying 'REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE' and the words 'LIBERTE EGALITE FRATERNITE'
The use of a large 2, the dates position and the wreath are also similiar.
The year '1401' could be a reference to Katherine of France (1401-1437)
There are strange letters on your coin (like an upside down R) and the currency 'ETRATI' are new to me. The 1401 could not be the year date as the coins of that era were not so well manufactured.
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New Member
Malaysia
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@Toast, yeah, do u mean this?  Yeah, there is a Upside Down 'R' and I google for Etrati and I found nothing related to currency. Is there any history behind this coin? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4589 Posts |
Wow that coin looks familiar LOL
Your piece appears to be cast
and Yes That is what he means I believe
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New Member
Malaysia
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My piece appears to be cast? Huh, I don understand, can u further eleborate?
So, is there any info for my piece? I hope that there will be someone who know about my piece. :D
Oh scoutjim99, thx for that image cause it was uploaded by u :D I was lucky that I simply click and saw that picture of coin lol
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05/12/2007 3:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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no problem ! I will try to get some one to explain it , I am not the best at explaining . SAP and SwamperBob would be really great at getting the info You need
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Pillar of the Community
Czech Republic
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Actually, I think his piece looks like a silver-plated copper counterfeit, not cast. Other than that - I have no idea.
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New Member
Malaysia
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Cast means Unwanted piece?
2 Etrati seems strange lol
I guess I'll wait for SAP and SwamperBob to help me :D
Who ever that has info bout my piece can post here too.
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Australia
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Yes, it is a strange one. I suspect the coin is a type of contemporary counterfeit known as an "evasion" - it's designed to look enough like a French 2 francs to fool somebody who's either illiterate or not looking at their coins very closely. But if the fellow ever got caught, his defence would be that he was just making medals and it clearly wasn't a real coin because the legends weren't anything like a real coin. They might send the perpetrator to Devil's Island rather than the guillotine. Remember too, that from the 1860's up until World War II, France was part of the Latin Monetary Union, sort of a "19th century Euro", and finding foreign coins in change the same size as normal French coins wouldn't have been uncommon. Someone may have been confused by this evasion and thought it was just another foreign coin from some country they'd never heard of before. "Cast" simply meas the "coin" was made by pouring molten metal into a mould, rather than being struck by dies like a normal coin is. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Malaysia
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Hm...
So this coin doesn't exist in the history? It is a fake coin?
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Moderator
Australia
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Correct.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Malaysia
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Thanks, I guess i'll keep this coin haha. Its a masterpiece that created long ago cause it was found by my dad when he was young. I'm still confuse how a fake french coin could reach Malaysia.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The design is attractive. Cool.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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chicaman Very nice coin - I believe that the diagnosis of an evasion piece is a plausible answer, but not the only one. Evasion coins were intentionally miss lettered to avoid charges of counterfeiting. They were normally used amoung illiterate populations or among populations who could not read the language on them. The design does match the one from the two Republic eras in France which were issued in two periods preceeding and following the Empire of Napoleon III. The latter period lasted from the 1870s to 1890s.
I have never before run into one like it. However, the method of manufacture seems very much like the technique developed in the 1870s and used for about 20 years or more. The coin appears to be a silvered base metal (brass or copper). It seems to be electroplated not silver ot tin washed so that would require it to be a post Civil War era coin, since electroplating did not exist in 1849. I think some further analysis of the plating layer is called for to firm up the most likely date of manufacture.
The origin of the coin as indicated by you is Malaysia. French coins are known to have been used in trade. So this could mean that the coin was produced in the orient among a population that could not read the English alphabet.
If I had to guess, I would say that the coin was made in China or Hong Kong about 1870 not so much as an "evasion" but as a Fantasy meant to be passed among a population that could not read the letters.
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