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Bedrock of the Community
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Halves are probably not going to happen now that theyve been pulled from circulation. Would banks hand out $2 maybe. They arent going to force anything on their customers though. Some dont even carry halves though and wont spend money ordering them to do so.
I do think youre going about it the wrong way though. Your looking for ways for the service providers to get it into the public, they couldnt care less. Theyll do whatever their customers want and wont rock the boat at the risk of losing customers. Its like the one dollar coin, its not going to force its way into the market if the public doesn't care.
The best thing you could probably do is use them yourself, and get your friends to use them. Then have them get their friends and so on and so forth and over time it could grow. It will be a long haul to get any of those circulating but the ONLY way its going to happen is if the public does it. Whatever the public chooses to use is what the vendors and machines will adjust for. They prefer cash over credit anyway but so many people use credit that almost everything takes that.
Whatever makes them money they will do
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Pillar of the Community
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basebal21,
I don't believe halves were pulled from circulation anymore than $2 bills were. Both denominations are a "hit and miss" type of deal where I go. Sometimes they will have hundreds of dollar in halves, and no $2 bills, and the next month, hundreds of dollars in $2 bills, and no halves. And if they have dollar coins, which they usually have a lot of, I never get them, because people seem to hate them, due to the fact that there is already a $1 bill in circulation, and do not want to handle two forms of one denomination. I wish I could help the Dollar Coin Alliance, but the best I do for them, is write to my Congress people from time to time, and tell them to support yanking bith, the $1 and $2 bills out of circulation simultaneiously for $1 and $2 coins, just to transition to dollar coins faster, because, Congress DID talk about authorizing a U.S. $2 coin, when planning for the $1 coin in the late 1990s, to speed up the transition to the $1 and $2 coins from $1 and $2 bills, which I think is the best route to take. Either that, or get people used to the $2 denomination with the redesigned $2 bill for about five years, then replace it with a $2 coin. Five years after the $1 bill goes is plenty long enough for the general public to prepare for a U.S. $2 coin. As for the half, they should just eliminate the cent and get the half circulating, period.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Fox what I meant was they dont make them for circulation anymore, theyre a collector mint set item only now. Generally once a coin has reached that point it DOA when it comes to circulation. As for halves and banks some do have them some dont. Almost all will order if you ask for a box. But thats kind of the point that I was getting at, literally everything else that circulates they always have. The fact that they wont have something some of the time supports the idea that its more of a novelty or collector item. I do agree if you want a dollar coin the dollar bill has to go period, but thats a completely different issue. Between dollar coins, halfs and two dollar bills though I think getting the dollar killed would have the best chance of actually happening. I dont see it happening until the end of the Presidential dollar series though
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Pillar of the Community
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basebal21,
I don't mean to argue, but, I really think you are wrong about banks not carrying halves anymore, while having virutally everything else that circulates. Sometimes, banks do not have $2 bills, as I said, and sometimes they do. Same with halves and dollar coins. Just because halves are not "made" for circulation anymore, doesn't mean they are not "in" circulation anymore. I read a while back that, the reason the U.S. Mint is not producing halves for circulation right now, is because they already have a ten year supply of halves for circulation at the rate they are going currently, and once that supply is gone, they will mint halves for circulation again. Same with dollar coins. There is a ten year supply of them available, so Congress ordered the Mint to stop making them for circulation until the current supply runs out. Someone else here even said halves circulate more than $2 bills, although I'm not too sure about that.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
997 Posts |
The main reason the Mint is not making halves for circulation is that no one wants them. Banks will only stock them if customers order them, the only people who do for the most part are roll hunters and collectors. The same goes for $2 bills. Ever wonder why there is a 10 year supply with no new coins being made (outside of a few for collectors)? The only time banks, stores etc. have any loose halves, dollar coins or $2 bills is because someone got rid of them there. They will order stock if requested by customers, some have regular orders for boxes, almost exclusively for silver hunters. I have a couple banks in my area that call me when someone dumps a supply of Ikes or halves and I go and snag them. Usually the halves are run of the mill junk coins and get sent back via Coinstar. I keep the Ikes and SBA's as well as the occasional NIFC or silver half that comes by.
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
@fox Like n9 said, that supply is there because they arent being used and isn't going to change. Presidential dollars are done for circulation the series also ends in a few years anyway. Halves wont be brought back either now that its been years. Think about how many coins have been stopped to be successful started again years later. I would believe the kennedys circulate more than 2 dollar bills because almost no one uses a 2. Half the time people think its fake money now. I honestly dont know why they still make them in all honesty. But like the dollar coins the wont be made for circulation again. The dollar coin could come back after the presidential series if they got rid of the 1 dollar bill, but I highly doubt we will see another attempt with the dollar bill around with how the last one turned out. If on the off chance we did a complete redesign would almost certainly happen.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
965 Posts |
Quote: The same goes for $2 bills. Except that the fed is printing a new series of 2009's right now (they print them to demand so there is demand) however Kennedy halves havn't been produced for the masses since 2001. Plus, there aren't many $2 bill searchers like there are half searchers to artificially increase demand. Quote: The only time banks, stores etc. have any loose halves, dollar coins or $2 bills is because someone got rid of them there. my bank stocks $2's, I've been able to get hundreds without ordering them. Quote: I honestly dont know why they still make them in all honesty. one word, seigneurage  they make a healthy profit on each note, plus the demand for $2's is higher now than it was in the 70's-90's.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: one word, seigneurage they make a healthy profit on each note, plus the demand for $2's is higher now than it was in the 70's-90's. Thats really the only reason I can think of them. In the last decade or so the only time I've ever gotten or seen one is from a coin shop, I remember when I was little Id see them from time to time but its been a long time since I've really seen one in the wild
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Pillar of the Community
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Well, do you think it would help if I paid the U.S. Mint and Treasury or BEP or Rederal Reserve, whoever I need to pay to print educational materals to display at banks that $2 bills are still being printed, and halves are still being minted even if in small amounts? I thought this might help with the upcoming redesign of the $2 bill, and if I could convince the Mint to try to get Congress to order a Kennedy half 50th anniversary redesign and a new permenant 2015 redesign on the reverse of the half, without changing the Kennedy obverse? Could a redesign of both denominations spark an interest?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
997 Posts |
I visited Monticello (Jefferson's historic home) last year, they sell $2 bills and have a small sales area of old coins such as large cents, Buffalo nickels etc. The clerk, who was a collector as well, told me that they are the largest distributor of $2.00 bills in the country. They also use them in change there and at the various concessions whenever possible. Most people save a few of them as curiosities and spend the rest. The local stores tend to get them of course due to this. This might be a great area for Mr. Fox to start his campaign as $2 bills are plentiful there already. I suspect that half dollars would be a harder sell but you never know. Maybe Massachusetts would be a good place to push that agenda.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
965 Posts |
Quote: I remember when I was little Id see them from time to time but its been a long time since I've really seen one in the wild As far as I'm aware, the fed really promoted the $2 bill initially because they thought if they could catch on they would make more seigneurage on the bills. However when it became clear that businesses were not on board, the $2 bill was relegated to its current status. That might account for the difference in the numbers of bills in circulation. However, I can honestly say that I didn't know $2 bills were terribly unusual until I was maybe 12 or 13. My original home town seemed to be a pocket were $2 bills circulated extensively. Thus when I moved, I continued to use the $2 bill because it reminded me of home. Also, the reactions from some of these cashiers is hilarious  .
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Pillar of the Community
 708 Posts |
n9jig,
I was just thinking maybe promoional materials, similar to the "Golden Dollar" promotion stickers might help the $2 bill and the half. As I said, even my local instant lottery ticket vending machines don't take either $2 bills, or any coins. Just $1 and $5-$100 bills, however, I did ask them about reprogramming for the redesigned $2 bills if I can convince the Treasury to release both denominations simultaneopusly, if they would make their machines take $2 bills then, and they said THEN they'd consider it, and then maybe they could put a sticker on the machines that say "This machine accepts $2s"
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4901 Posts |
Quote: I was just thinking maybe promoional materials, similar to the "Golden Dollar" promotion stickers might help the $2 bill and the half Like it helped the "Golden Dollar"? Not minted for circulation anymore and that was an effort to get the public familiar with a new product with the expectation they would use it...they didn't and minting was stopped. This is a product they already don't want..reading an ad will not reverse that feeling. Quote: and halves are still being minted even if in small amounts? As was mentioned many times they are not being minted for circulation..none..not even in small amounts...now if you want to buy a couple of rolls from the Mint and pay 82 cents apiece (plus shipping) then you can spend all you want (and lose 60%+ on all those you spend)
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Pillar of the Community
 708 Posts |
Foxwoods Man, I know that the promotional materials for the dollar coin did not help it much, but as I've said, the half doesn't have a $0.50 bill to compete with, nor does the $2 bill have a $2 coin to compete with, and that makes a big difference as far as most cashiers are concerned with them around my area. As for them still minting halves for collectors, Keywords: "Still minting" It doesn't matter if they are only minting them for collectors,they are STILL minting them. Some people even consider Eisenhower dollar coins to be "current" coins and the Mint does NOT those AT ALL anymore, PERIOD. Also, if some newer self checkout machines and certain vending machines can take halves, and due to the fact that the Mint still mints them, I doubt that they have given up on the half just yet, or they would simply stop minting halves altogether, and melt or sell the current supply to collectors, or maybe even bring back Half Cent, 2 cent, 3 cent and 20 cent coins even though they would not circulate, just to mint for collector purposes, so that they could gain a profit off them. Also, as long as the Mint keeps on minting halves, at least they will never become "rare collectibles" which would be a disaster for the denomination in my opinion. Sorry if I sounded ride. I'm not trying to.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: "Still minting" It doesn't matter if they are only minting them for collectors,they are STILL minting them. It absolutely matters if its for collectors or not. No one is going to pay a dollar or two dollars to use a coin for 50 cents. Its irrelevant if its minted for collectors or not, if its not minted for circulation for your purposes you should consider it not to exist. You might as well try and get ASEs to circulate for face value if you count mint set coins as being minted for use. No one will pay over face for a coin to use for face. Not to mention they dont circulate at all. You can find silver halves easier than you could find a 2010 kennedy Quote: My original home town seemed to be a pocket were $2 bills circulated extensively. It does seem like things like that get used more in small towns. Once you get near the city its much harder to find unique coins. I dont know if thats a result of more people looking for them or just more people using credit cards ect to keep moving at the faster life pace though, maybe both.
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