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 Posted 05/08/2013  6:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
If you were putting together a somewhat serious coin collection, do you think it would be worth it to apply for an HST number? This way, you could save/claim the tax refund for all taxes paid as a "small" business. It would be a bit more work at tax time, but it could be decent savings if you are purchasing a relatively high volume.

I think you would need to demonstrate a reasonable expectation of profit, but it does not say how big. Selling a few hundred in coins a year and charging tax might make be worth it.
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 Posted 05/08/2013  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait, are you putting together a collection, or selling coins?
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 Posted 05/09/2013  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 54dollarcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Be careful you are either one or the other a business or a hobbyist. A reasonable expectation of profit can be construed in many ways. Under US tax code you must make a profit 3 out of 5 years. I am sure the CRA would look closely at a similar situation. If you buy all of your coins in a non HST province or out of the country the tax hit is less for sure. Paying cash at coin or collectible shows also works. However as a business We want invoices and receipts for absolutely everything. Neat thing for us we export over 75 percent of our sales and buy mostly in Canada.
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 Posted 05/10/2013  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pimpim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you sell less than 30 000$ a year, don't bother. When you get into the system, boy it's complicated. Even if you opt to pay once a year, the work you need to do is not that big but you have to do it. And try to get once you're in, good luck. If you can avoid it, avoid it. Otherwise you'll work for the government and they don't pay you, you pay them.
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 Posted 05/11/2013  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EastVanRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing to consider is that if you are engaged in the businees of buying and selling for profit, everything you sell is on account of income, and any profits you make are fully taxed.

If you are a collector, and not in business, your collection is personal use capital property and listed personal property. This means each of your items that is bought for less than $1,000 is deemed to have an adjusted cost base of $1,000, and each item that you sell for less than $1,000 is deemed to have proceeds of $1,000. In other words, everything you sell for less than $1,000 per item is tax-free. If you had an item you bought for $500 and sold for $1,500, it would be deemed to have a cost of $1,000, so you would have a capital gain of $500, of which 50% ($250) would be the taxable portion.

The $1,000 rule is very useful for non-business collectors, and shouldn't be given up lightly.

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 Posted 05/11/2013  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 54dollarcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In BC with the tax changes of April first, if you sell over $10K in BC you have to register for the BC sales tax as a business. Also what Rob said is partly the truth but it is very wise to consult with a good accountant if you are selling listed personal property such as a collection of coins.
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 Posted 05/11/2013  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
purelywasted,when you sell the coins,you,not the buyer will be paying the tax.
You will miss out on 12% for every coin you sell.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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EastVanRob...I totally agree with you.

However, in the case of an audit from our beloved CRA, their opinion just may judge your above example differently.

Thatis, if there's only one or two transactions every year, I do believe the CRA will agree with you and say it's 'listed [personal property' and rule it as a Capital Gain (under $1000 and you're safe).

However, if you have a very frequent activity of not only selling but buying, they will definitely view your transactions as a business and you will be on the hook for declaring your sales as an income, even if the sales are under a $1000.

Remember, during an audit, the CRA tells YOU what your activity will be judged as (business income vs. listed persoanl property), not the opther way around (you telling the CRA what it is).


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