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How Do You Like Your Trade Dollar?

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 Posted 05/19/2013  2:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am pretty much a bullion coin guy but for some reason I like the thought of getting a Trade dollar. On top of that I want one with several chop marks. Just seems really cool to me. Am I nuts to want chop marks?

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 Posted 05/19/2013  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of people like the Trade dollars with chop marks as it adds a bit of history to them.

For Trade dollars though I cannot stress enough buy a graded one even if you want to crack it out. Theyre one of the most counterfeited series out there.

They are very nice looking though, you have good taste lol
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Seeing the title of this thread only first, I was thinking with ketchup, mustard, mayo, and pickles, but I guess it could be hard for you to find one like that

with basebal21 in that it will be WAY easier for you to buy a certified one, because that series has the most fakes that show up on this forum and elsewhere.
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 Posted 05/19/2013  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didnt know what a Trade dollar was so I looked it up,quite interesting actually.



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Federal officials faced a dilemma in the years after the Civil War. The Comstock Lode and other Western mines were producing large quantities of silver, but the government could use only limited amounts of it in coinage. This seems puzzling in retrospect, for silver coins were few and far between in circulation (a lingering legacy of wartime hoarding), and Americans presumably would have welcomed major infusions of silver coins. But Mint officials feared that new silver coins would be subject to hoarding as well, since the marketplace was awash with paper money, including fractional currency born of wartime need. People would have been only too happy to exchange these notes, which brought less than full face value, for precious-metal coinage.




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The Trade dollar's biggest problems occurred not in China but at home. In a last-minute deal, Congress had made the coin a legal tender for domestic payments up to five dollars. In 1876, millions were dumped into circulation in the United States when silver prices plummeted, making them worth substantially more as money than as metal.

Congress quickly revoked their legal-tender status (the only time this has been done with any U.S. coin), but the seeds of serious trouble had been sown. In the late 1870s, employers bought up huge numbers of the coins at slightly more than bullion value (80 to 83 cents apiece) and then put them in pay envelopes at face value. Merchants and banks accepted them only at bullion value or rejected them altogether, so the workers effectively lost one-sixth to one-fifth of their pay at a time when that pay often amounted to less than $10 a week.



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Spurned abroad and despised by many at home, the Trade dollar soon faded into oblivion. After 1878, production was suspended except for proofs-and even those dwindled to just ten in 1884 and five in 1885.

Like many other "fantasy" coins before them, the 1884 and 1885 pieces were clandestinely struck for Mint crony William Idler and were unknown to the numismatic community until six pieces from Idler's estate were sold by dealer John Haseltine in 1908. Notwithstanding their questionable origin, these two dates are viewed as great rarities today.




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Trade dollars are so historic... created to compete w/ other silver dollars of the time. The chop marks to me just add to that history. I bought a raw 1876-CC TD w/ a few chop marks on both sides a couple years ago from a reputable dealer friend I know. I had it graded this year and it came back as AU-50 Details, (w/ no mention of a cleaning)... It is one of my favorites in my collection.
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A well placed chop can enhance the beauty of any Trade dollar. I have seen a few where there was ONE chopmark on the face of LIBERTY or the EAGLE which ruined it (IMO), kinda like "take that American coinage".

I like my (PCGS XF40) Trade dollar just fine without chops and may "trade" her in for another is the timing/price is right.
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05/20/2013 2:14 pm
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Nothing wrong with getting a chop marked Trade dollar. Certified by one of the 4 TPG's or purchased from a reputable dealer would be the way to go if you are unfamiliar with the coin. A few chop marks is fine. Personally, I would avoid those that look like they have 2 dozen chop marks.
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 Posted 05/21/2013  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ProfLiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To chop or not to chop... Seems to polarize the Trade dollar afficianados. Some call chop marks damage; others consider them a result of normal circulation for this series.

I personally love chop marks; they reflect the unique history of the Trade dollar type - and of each chopmarked coin. Here's mine, graded PCGS AU55 Chopmarked:

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