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Bought A Few Ancients - How Well I Did?

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 Posted 06/08/2013  5:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Earlier today (about 12 hours ago), I bought a few ancient coins (from a guy who was so good in selling them that he got me to buy much more than I wanted).
Approximately, you can think I paid $10 per coin (this is not the actual breakdown, but it results in a sum very close to reality, and the actual figures would've been far too confusing). Coin #1 is late Roman, rest are (probably) Greek.
Note: some of these might be far more common in my country than in UK/USA. Not that I care

What I was told I bought:
1. Arcadius/Salus small copper (supposedly fairly decent as these issues go)
2. Panticapeus chalkos, 4th century BC
3. Seleucid Antiocheia aurichalkos, 3rd century BC
4. Olbia dolphin, 7th/5th century BC (former date told by the guy I bought it from, latter by another guy I showed it to)

What I think I actually bought (after some googling):
1. Arcadius/Salus AE4?, probably Constantinople mint
2. Panticapeus tetrachalkos, circa 210 BC (Anokhin 145)
3. no idea really (apparently there's no such thing as a Greek aurichalkos)
4. Olbia dolphin, circa late 5th century BC

What they look like (to me anyway):
1. [...]ARCADIV[S?...], portrait in middle/SALVS REI[...], CO[...] in exergue; 14x12mm
2. Bow and arrow, ПANTI below/bearded head right; 16mm (and thick)
3. Figure sitting on chair holding scepter? behind, lots of fancy Greek script (see note) on sides/bearded head [Zeus?] right; 18mm (and almost as thick as #2) - oh and it's also yellow(ish)
4. Vaguely dolphin-shaped flat piece of copper, linear-ish protrusion along one side; 30x9(?)mm
Note: I can kind-of read TIOXE on right of figure and TPOПOЛE on left; there are several other letters I can't reliably read, and several dots I can't assign to any letters


...Hope you might be of any assistance (also in identifying #3). If you wonder, no, I haven't taken any photos and/or weighings (not yet anyway).
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 Posted 06/08/2013  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. Arcadius SALVS coins are pretty worthless unless in perfect grade I'm afraid. If you can send it back, I would - I could offer you one for free if you pay postage (probably, I have a few, not sure if I have an arcadius left).

2. Well, 'Panticapeus chalkos' is a googlewhack, so its certainly not that. As is 'Panticapeus tetrachalkos'. so its neither of those.

Its probably a 'Pantikapaion AE21 Tetrachalkon'. Pretty valuable very good for $10, Id say. Id need pictures for a full judgement.

3. Perhaps he meant 'Orichalcum' which is a metal the romans thought looked like gold and made their sesterces from. Its actually brass. Post a picture and let us take a peak.

4. Oooh, yes, those things are nice. Definitely worth $10. I need to get me one of those some day.
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 Posted 06/08/2013  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the Arcadius AE4's are a dime a dozen and you paid a bit too much for it. Still if it is in excellent condition it's not a total loss. I'm sure the other coins are worth more than the what you paid for them so overall you most likely did very well on your purchase. Looking forward to seeing pictures as soon as you can post them.
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A bit more googling revealed the (approximate) "identity" of #3; it's from Antioch all right, but there's no way it's anywhere near 3rd century BC (there appear to be several possible types, differing mainly in style if anything - but all are dated in the 1st century, either BC or AD).
Closest specific reference is something called "RPC 4201cf" (but mine has much more fancy lettering so it's probably rather late in the run, and I still don't know how to explain the yellow "brass" color).
I might post a pic eventually (of this as well as the other three); probably not now though.
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 Posted 06/14/2013  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay. I did make some photos today (in the low-ish scattered-ish light of whatever remained of the sun at 7pm); so I'll try to post what I think are the best ones among the bunch (IMHO most of them still awful; coin #1 [Arcadius] in particular seems to actually be a little better than it appears in the photos, and coin #2 [Pantikapaion] is probably far too dark for a proper photo).
Last two photos are mainly more to establish scale than anything else (the IHC has ridiculous eye appeal to me, but I think it's a bit lost in the photos; the piece of gunk below Liberty's ear is just a random piece of gunk that I only noticed while reviewing the photos, and had since taken off the coin).
Sorry for huge photo size - still haven't quite got how you do small thumbnails of huge photos (and this computer doesn't seem to have a photo editor decent enough to crop an image properly, and they're too big to be cropped immediately on the optimizer, so some photos might actually be smaller than they should've been - that especially applies to #2).

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 Posted 06/14/2013  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice finds!


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some of these might be far more common in my country than in UK/USA.


I like the "Doplhin" coin of Olbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbia,_Ukraine

You have the Russian Federation as you location, so unless the hoards of 5th century Roman coins in the Russian steppes stashed away by Atilla the Hun and his armies are all found (then put onto the market, then deflating the value of the types currently for sale on the market) it is unlikely that any of the coin types you have purchased can be said to be common in the Russian Federation at the moment.
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 Posted 06/14/2013  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$10 per coin is OK for this lot. I have a highly varied collection of about 60 barely identifiable ancient 'rat ' coins. I have acquired most of them from the $10, $15 and $20 junk bins of a dealer, over a period of years.

I buy them for the challenge of identification, but I have to admit, although I have correctly identified about 90 % of them to full attribution, I can rely on one of the leading professional opinions on ancient coins in Australia, if I can't quite figure them out completely for myself.

Sometimes, it may take me a few months to finally 'worry out' a full identification on each of them. Lotsa fun, AND it keeps my brain engaged.
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