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Two More Intersting Finds In The 10 Pound Sack!

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Ok, here is two more interesting items that I found in the 10 pound sack full.
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A rimmed both sides blank planchet
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A reeded planchet with the center nub indicating that, they are probably reeded first as a round bar then sliced off to the desired thickness.

It is pretty neat to get some blanks.
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The second one looks more like a gear w/the spindle cut off
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The first one appears to have seen some "circulation"; I'd assume it's an intentionally blank token, sold and used as such.

The second one is almost certainly a gear, perhaps from a clock. Not numismatic at all.
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The second one is not a gear. It has reeding around the edge, there isn't enough pitch or offset for another gear to mesh and drive either of them. the reeding isn't much difference other than in size from an American quarter.
It is to thick for a watch or clock gear and the space between the bumps are to small.
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On coins, reeding is never applied to a blank like that. Not only would a reeded edge be more prone to getting stuck and jamming the press, the resultant striking of the design would likely flatten, deform or destroy the reeding. Reeding is usually and most easily imparted onto a coin by a collar die, at the same time that the obverse and reverse dies strike the design onto the coin, all in a single strike of the press. Another option, fancied by the Chinese makers of fake coins, is to push the finished coin through a ring die after it has been struck.

Nor are blanks ever made these days by slicing off pieces from a bar. Blanks are made by punching discs out of a sheet of metal. It is more wasteful (since the scissel needs to be melted down again), but there is far greater control over the weight and thickness of the finished coin when using a uniform sheet.
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The first appears to be struck with flat dies, not just upset. Sean Moffat told me he had made those a few times, usually for customers who were going to inlay them with printed plastic.

Edge reeding is applied before striking, during the upsetting stage, for pieces to be struck without collars. Judging by the way the edge looks on your second piece, I would think it that type of blank, but the center divot is puzzling indeed. It certainly can't have been cut off an already-reeded bar, since the slight upturn at the edge would have been destroyed in that case, but it might have been cut off a bar, then Castainginated with reeded edge dies.
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