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I'm very suspicious that this is real. BUT, are the star impressions on the reverse the same size as the stars on the obverse? And those two 'letter'-impressions on the reverse, could those be part of the date of an obverse fragment?
Maybe you can overlay the reverse area of question over the obverse and see if it lines up perfectly with the 3 stars and the 18 of the date.
Edited by robbudo
07/04/2013 7:39 pm
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Yes, the stars in both places are the same size. Also, the date numerals (rather the parts of numerals) are the same size as those on the obverse. (I am sorry that my rather old images are not all in the same size).
Yes, an overlay would be a good idea. Thanks for the thought.
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the overlay would be fairly convincing.
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Looks to be a partial brockage. Known to happen in the Barber line. But I don't know if the reverse image should even appear with a brockage.
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07/04/2013 8:07 pm
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I'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario under which this could have happened at the Mint; I'm not expecting a fully-struck reverse with an obverse brockage. With that said, the location of the new impression is exactly where one would expect it in such a situation.
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How about two stacked coins, and a good, solid blow?
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How about two stacked coins, and a good, solid blow? That would work, but only post-Mint. If the "good solid bow" were performed by the press, it'd be a full-on brockage. If it were - for some reason - a fragment of a planchet instead of a full one, the reverse strike would be obliterated wherever the original piece of planchet was. And a "strip" of planchet only large enough to create the impresison shown would still kill the denticles in that area. For this coin, it had to be allowed to receive a full reverse strike, and then that impression had to be created as a second step. Which is why I think it's postmint. |
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I'm with SsuperDdave on this one, a partial brockerage it might be. Strange error if proven to be real and not post mint made. Never seen anything quite like it before.
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I'm with PMD. It doesn't look like any partial brockage I have seen before. Another coin was pressed into this one. |
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It doesn't look like any partial brockage I've ever seen either. PMD? Anyway, I'm not convinced either way. I have trouble with the "pressed into another coin" theory because there are no depressions beside the incuse elements. Cheers, Bill |
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I would have loved to see this coin before it was worn down. The mere fact of the wear, might mean it was PMD and the circulation wear hid the PMD to the point that all that is left is what we see now. Still weird and interesting. I'm going to send this thread link to a good friend that is an expert in this type of error and see what he says. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Okay got a reply back from my good friend Mike Ellis, some may know him from CONECA, where he the current Vice President, and past President (1995-2000) and he is currently serving his second term as an ANA board member, Mike is an expert on mint error coinage, and along with Fred Weinberg - my go to source on error questions. He has taught many ANA Summer Seminar courses on minting errors over the past several decades. He graciously allowed me permission to post the following to you regarding this perplexing error coin being discussed here at CCF. From Michael Ellis: "Hello Everybody! Westcoin brought this coin to my attention asking my thoughts on it. To me, it is evident that it is PMD and 3 coins were likely used to do. A sandwich if you will. Though this one is very sharp, this type of damage is fairly common. The final piece of evidence appears on the coin in question but on the obverse. If you will review the obverse image, look at the denticles from about 6:30 to 7:30. That line is an impression from coin number 3 of an unknown denomination or series. Someone may measure the degree of the curvature of the arc and figure that out. I am willing to bet that this area of the edge is minutely thinner than the rest of the edge from the pressure applied in impart the stars in question. It is really cool for what it is and would make a great educational piece." Thanks for sharing your valuable opinion with the CCF Mike!   "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
07/14/2013 12:29 am
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Very interesting piece! Surprised it only took an expert a very short time to figure out what this was. I guess that's why we call them experts.
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