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Security Paper And "Black Eagle" Eye Appeal

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 Posted 07/20/2013  8:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add secondnomore to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone, first post!

I came within an eyelash of buying my first 1899 $1 Silver Cert. in graded XF40 condition... I LOVED the note, no folds or stains, got a good deal, wanted the note to salvage a lackluster show as far as finding coins I was looking for. I was all set to purchase that note...

... until I noticed something that was in plain sight and impossible to miss. The paper used for this series of notes had the red and blue fibers as you are all aware I am sure. This note, though, had an unusually thick, bold, concentrated swath of these fibers in 2 parallel vertical bands, so noticeable that in my unlearned mind it detracted some from the eye appeal it had for me personally. I compared the one I wanted with others at the show, and it definitely had a much greater concentration of colored fibers than any of the others. Being a clean 40-grade note, it made the bands of fibers stand out even more.

I HATED to pass on the note, but I held out for another day to find what I considered a more visually appealing piece. My buy-the-book-before-the-coin instinct told me that there will be "others" to be found, even though there is that little nagging fear that you may NOT find a better one. Sure enough, got home last night and ebay is FULL of graded listings.

So, being a newbie to currency for the most part, my questions are:

1. What is the norm (if there is one) for the paper and the fiber concentration for the series?

2. How does that fiber situation affect grading, value and desirability in the currency circles?

I will own a Black Eagle. It is the most popular and well-known note out there. Last night though, I realized that my decision was the right thing.

I will hold out and get an UNC ;)

With a little bit less noticeable fiber saturation.

Any thoughts?
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 Posted 07/20/2013  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Black Eagle has the colored fibers concentrated left & right of the eagle. I believe that's normal. I suppose it's possible that in some notes there may be more fibers in those areas.

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07/20/2013 9:38 pm
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Don't worry about them, they are normal. I love it when there are tons of rag fibers. I think they are super cool!
An XF note is beautiful, but if you can find a nice AU58 you will get the look of CU for a much lower price! Think about it and take your time. Do not settle for a note, make sure you really like it and you will always enjoy your collection.
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Thanks for the replies and pics!

The one I looked at had at least DOUBLE the concentrations of fibers in the posted pics, and they were very long, bold and finely spaced. I felt it took away from the appeal of the note, but I will expect them to be present on a high-grade note and won't worry about it next time... about "$250 more" from now LOL..
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