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Dca Says Gov't Can Save Over $13 Billion Over 30 Years

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Can't fit the whole title in the topic's title box, but on the DCA website, they state that, NOW switching to the dollar coin, and scrapping the $1 bill, would save the government $13.6 (or $13.8, I forget) billion dollars over the next 30 years.

So, what happened to "$5.5 billion" then "5.4 Billion" then "$4.4 billion" over 30 years? I guess they're just basing it, on how Canada saved 10 times more than they expected when they ditched their $1 bills.

Does anyone here think that the COINS Act now has a better chance at passing, due to the major increase in projected savings by switching to the dollar coin?

Also, do you think the government will lose out on these savings, if the general public embraces the $2 bill as "the new $1 bill" as most polls suggest? Because, I'm sure that, IF the dollar coin replaces the $1 bill, and the $2 bill starts circulating as widely as the $1 bill does now, I have a feeling they will lose out on their projected savings, simply by printing and replacing almost as much, if not just as many $2 bills as they print, and what $1 bill production costs now. This is why I think we should simultaneously, or within five years after the $1 bill goes, get rid of the $2 bill for a $2 coin as well, just as Canada did. I'm all for a $2 coin, especially, seeing as the redesigned $2 bill could be over a decade off, and that leaves plenty of time to move to a $2 coin and save even more on minting less $1 coins, and not printing wasteful $2 bills (just as the DCA says "wasteful $1 bills")

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...No.
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Does anyone here think that the COINS Act now has a better chance at passing, due to the major increase in projected savings by switching to the dollar coin?


Most people take projections with a grain of salt. Cost projections are almost always higher and potential savings are almost always lower when it comes to government programs.

This projection in itself wont have any major impact. Supporters can use it to say why they support it but its not going to sway anyone in DC just because of the new number.
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Does anyone here think that the COINS Act now has a better chance at passing, due to the major increase in projected savings by switching to the dollar coin?

Not really.


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IF the dollar coin replaces the $1 bill, and the $2 bill starts circulating as widely as the $1 bill does now, I have a feeling they will lose out on their projected savings, simply by printing and replacing almost as much, if not just as many $2 bills as they print, and what $1 bill production costs now.

But in that case the seigniorage more than doubles so they still make their profit.
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But in that case the seigniorage more than doubles so they still make their profit.
Yes.
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Talk is cheap...let's see 'em ACT on it.
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They won't act on it because there isn't anyone in the federal government capable of actually making a decision that makes sense when the decision needs to be made. They have to study it for several years and spend millions of dollars first.

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They won't act on it because there isn't anyone in the federal government capable of actually making a decision that makes sense when the decision needs to be made. They have to study it for several years and spend millions of dollars first.

Thank You. Plus both sides hate each other so much there will never be an agreement.
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As I've bee saying for a while now, where the COINS Act is a start, it's not enough.

We need to add a "0" to the end of each coin's denomination (1¢->10¢, 5¢->50¢, 10¢->$1, 25¢->$2 [no more "quarters"], 50¢->$5, $1->$10) and kill the paper equivalents (i.e. start paper at $20) if we *really* want to start saving money circulating our currency and making it *useful* again in a *lasting* fashion.

But that kind of change will never happen with Congress dragging its feet... on every issue...

By the time the $1 bill is killed and the $1 coin is in use, a buck will be the new penny and the whole thing will have to start all over.
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As I've been saying for a while now, where the COINS Act is a start, it's not enough.

We need to add a "0" to the end of each coin's denomination (1¢->10¢, 5¢->50¢, 10¢->$1, 25¢->$2 [no more "quarters"], 50¢->$5, $1->$10) and kill the paper equivalents (i.e. start paper at $20) if we *really* want to start saving money circulating our currency and making it *useful* again in a *lasting* fashion.


Just as I've said, We need to add a "0" each bill's denomination to them as well ($1->$10 (no $10 coin, thats too extreme) $2->$20, $5->$50, $10->$100, $20->$200 $50->$500, $100->$1,000)

Inlation has set in plenty well enough to make $200, $500, and $1,000 bills practical. Just ask the people that print the Euro. If they were so worried with drug dealers, money launderers, counterfeiters and the like, their E100, E200 and E500 notes would have been history many years ago. they'e going on, what? Their, it'll be 12 years in 2014 that they've had these large denominations, and they do not seem to have a problem with them, save the United Kingdom not using E500 notes.
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Inlation has set in plenty well enough to make $200, $500, and $1,000 bills practical.


It really hasnt. The average person makes just under 40k. A bill 1/40th or 1/80th of youre yearly pre tax salary isn't practical.
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They have to study it for several years and spend millions of dollars first.

And even then it does no good. We have all ready paid millions and millions of dollars to have the study done.....five times! And every time we have ignored the study's recommendations.


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Inlation has set in plenty well enough to make $200, $500, and $1,000 bills practical.

Practical maybe, but not needed. If for some reason you really needed to have $1K in cash, 10 $100's really isn't that much of an imposition. And most transactions over a couple hundred dollars are done by check or credit card anyway so you probably really don't need that $1K note. As for Europe using the larger denominations, until relatively recently Europeans didn't use checks or credit cards to anywhere near the extent that we do, they operated more with cash. But as checks a cards have become more commonplace there has been discussion of doing away with the 500 Euro note. So they ate coming our way. And the UK doesn't use the 500 Euro note because the UK doesn't use the Euro, they still use Pounds. Ireland uses Euros but they are independent not part of the UK.
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Does anyone really believe the government will save a single dollar from this change? With the waste and excess spending they curently can't control, adding $13.5 billion into the pool would raise the water... little. Doing the change based on savings isn't really going to drive anyone to change their mind and vote for this bill - unless they get a piece of the savings to spend in their states. I read there are plenty of industries pushing back hard (read lobbyists), to block this change and that is where the real money is.
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Practical maybe, but not needed. If for some reason you really needed to have $1K in cash, 10 $100's really isn't that much of an imposition. And most transactions over a couple hundred dollars are done by check or credit card anyway so you probably really don't need that $1K note.


Why does this always have to come back to "checks" and "credit cards"? Did it ever occur to you that "most" private sellers believe cash is KING. Also, I would rather carry one $1,000 bill, than ten $100 bills if I were buying something for $1,000 or more. I would also prefer to carry around a $10,000 bill instead of a strap of $100 bills if I wanted to make a $10,000 or more purchase (even though I know $10,000 bills are a lost cause, they sure would be nice for buying a house or expensive car or RV, etc.)




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But as checks a cards have become more commonplace there has been discussion of doing away with the 500 Euro note.


Where have you heard or read this? And do they also speak of doing away with the 200 Euro note?

These would be foolish moves, in my opinion. In this day and age they should be moving toward issuing larger denomination bills, just as they should be moving toward issuing larger denomination coins in some countries. But due to the concern of crimes they are NEVER going to stop, the death of the 500 Euro note and probably the 200 Euro note probably will happen. But I hope it does not, and we, here in the U.S. just issue $200 FRNs and reissue the $500, and possibly $1,000 FRNs here again instead. And its not just for convenience when purchasing items among the general public. The government could also stand to save the government money on printing so many $100 FRNs, which that demand increases every year, as I have said in the past.

I really wish I could talk to the casino industry about this. They would probably support $200, $500, and $1,000 bills, even with all of the possible electronic methods of payment.
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I really wish I could talk to the casino industry about this. They would probably support $200, $500, and $1,000 bills, even with all of the possible electronic methods of payment.


Casinos don't do cash any more, except for intake. Any payout over $100 or so is either electronic or check, depending on how you bought in, and payouts smaller than that are on a paper chit. It's been years since any house in my town (Atlantic City) used coins or paper money.
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