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Odd Damage On A 1909-S VDB Penny

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 Posted 08/04/2013  4:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Daniel Olson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Howdy folks. I have a 1909-S VDB which is in decent shape overall, except for an odd blob of metal on the reverse (also a small crater in Lincoln's cheek and another on one wheat stalk). I'm trying to figure out if it's PMD or a birth defect. Any help would be appreciated.

It may or may not be relevant, but I've got a '51 penny with a crater in the middle of the back and a misshapen outer edge at one point, clearly a defective mintage. I don't know if this is a similar phenomenon to the '09 damage or not, but fwiw I'll include pix of it too.

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 Posted 08/04/2013  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinDan98 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look like PMD on the 09, not sure about the 51.
Great 1909 though! even if it is PMD, I'd die for that coin!
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 Posted 08/04/2013  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel Olson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm vacillating about whether it would be a good idea to have it certified. (I've already had it verified as genuine by my local coin dealer.) On the one hand, yes, it's got some high-grade details, and certification removes any doubts about counterfeiting in the buyer's mind, but on the other hand I wonder if a slab with "Damaged" would depress its value. As you say, if you ignore that little blob, the rest of the coin looks quite decent.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Isos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like someone tried to solder it to something. Actually, it looks kind of like someone put it between a welding clamp and a piece of metal they were welding on.

Nice looking coin otherwise!
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 Posted 08/04/2013  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was used to bypass a fuse in a fusebox. Basically if you ran out of fuses, you'd toss a penny in the socket and screw the fuse over it. I doubt if the person using it realized that the coin they were using could have been sold to rewire their entire house.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chetzler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent theory, OldSkool! I was going to comment that obverse and reverse damage seemed like it could have been related to the same incident since they seem to line up. A fuse bypass makes sense--what an undignified role for an S-VDB to endure!
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what an undignified role for an S-VDB to endure!

Unless, of course, it's actually a counterfeit, in which case somebody may have done it on purpose...
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 Posted 08/05/2013  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chetzler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thought, barryg...perhaps we have some sort of "Numismatic Avenger" on our hands running about damaging counterfeits so that they don't fall into the hands of innocents!
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That fuse bypass theory sounds good, and I thank you for the suggestion! It definitely has the look of something melted. I'm certain it isn't counterfeit. My local coin guy has 40+ years experience. And why would a counterfeiter take a superb fake and do something to it that guarantees extra scrutiny under a microscope? Similarly, that's a lot of bother for a "numismatic avenger," who would more likely simply destroy it or maybe give it to the Secret Service.

Yeah, ironic that this Lincoln of all Lincolns would be put to such ignoble use.
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or maybe give it to the Secret Service


Assuming he could find them ...
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