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Canon Tethered Shooters, I Need A Favor

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I'm going to prepare a step-by-step tutorial on the process of using ZoomBrowser to shoot tethered. However, life circumstances have dictated that I currently do not own a Canon camera. I know the software well enough to handwrite a tutorial off the top of my head, but without a camera I don't have the ability to screencap relevant screens in the usage process. So, if you can help, I need a set of screenshots depicting the various windows/menus one sees during Zoom Browser operations. Installation shots aren't necessary, just the usage screens one sees from the initial ZoomBrowser startup through something like a split-screen showing a 100% detail focus window and the actual dialog box used for operation in the same image. Also, I could use a cap of the splash screen Windows throws from within the OS when you first turn on the camera (the one where it asks you what you want to do).

I want to do the same with Digital Photo Professional, but that's down the road.

All you have to do is capture raw screenshots; I can postprocess to forum-usable size here. It might take a second iteration as I compromise between forum-appropriate size and readability.

Please drop a post here or forum-email me if you have the ability to help.
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SD...you've talked about ZoomBrowser a couple times but I'm not sure what that is. For my Canon tethering I use the EOS Utility to control the camera, and it directly downloads into DPP. What is ZoomBrowser? Perhaps I need the tutorial as well? ...Ray
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ZoomBrowser is the subfunction of EOS Utility which enables tethered shooting. The installation process is voluntarily selective; you don't have to load the whole package and in every iteration I've ever installed, ZoomBrowser is the actual app you click to start the show.
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In EOS Utility, if I press "control camera", a window pops up that has all the camera tethering functions on it. Is this window called ZoomBrowser? If so, then I can help you with some screen shots for the tutorial...Ray
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Yes, that would be Zoom Browser. I have it as a separate menu item and always launch it directly; never realized you could launch it from EOS Utility. That may be because I don't do a full install, just the pieces I want.
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Sounds good. What sequence are you looking for with the tutorial? I'd imagine the following:

Statement about installing EU/ZB
Statement about initial settings on camera that can't be set tethered
Statement about USB connectivity
Start up EU/ZB
EU/ZB default settings for a new camera (I'd use my T2i)
Configure various camera settings (multiple screens)
Start up Live View
Set MWB
Zoom Detail
Focus (what OOF high and low look like vs critical focus)
Snap the shot

Take a look at the above and let's agree on what screen shots are needed...Ray

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Statement about installing EU/ZB

Probably ought to, , but it'll look more like "install the program" than any in-depth analysis. Not many people do Custom installs.

Statement about initial settings on camera that can't be set tethered

Don't know; the only two I can think of are Quality and Picture Style.

Statement about USB connectivity

I shudder at the thought that I have to tell the reader to connect the camera to the computer, but, yeah.

Start up EU/ZB

Yup.

EU/ZB default settings for a new camera (I'd use my T2i)

Necessary? I know I'll want to address changing the destination directory for shots.

Configure various camera settings (multiple screens)

Yup.

Start up Live View

Yup.
Set MWB

Yup. Have to go back into camera-based settings for WB, though - I set WB before I attach the camera at all.

Zoom Detail

Yup.

Focus (what OOF high and low look like vs critical focus)

Another shudder moment. Should you be taking pictures if you don't know what a focused shot looks like? I suppose we should, though.

Snap the shot

Yup.

Ought to mention the image Zoom Browser pops up of the shot, as the place for the taker to review his work and decide on any necessary changes.
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Statement about initial settings on camera that can't be set tethered

Don't know; the only two I can think of are Quality and Picture Style.

I think both of those can be set with Zoom Browser! Here is a step by step I wrote for someone who bought a camera from me, and I think this covers everything I personally do before plugging in the USB first time.(some of these might be settable in ZB...)

- Install the software that came with the camera onto your PC:
... EOS Utility
... Digital Photo Professional
- Turn on Camera and set the following settings:
... Turn top knob to Av
... Press Menu button (top left corner on back of camera)
... Tab over til you are on the 3rd setup menu (wrench with 3 dots)
... Tab down to Clear Settings and press Set, then Clear all Camera Settings and confirm
... Tab to the first camera settings menu (camera with 1 dot)
... Verify the Quality is set to high quality L (has a smooth quarter circle to the left of the L)
... Turn Image Review to Off
... Tab to second camera menu
... Set Metering Mode to Partial
... Tab to the first setup menu (wrench with 1 dot)
... Decide if you want auto power off. I have mine set for 15 min
... Turn Auto Rotate Off
... Tab to second setup menu
... Go to Live View settings menu
... Turn Grid Display to "tic tac toe" setting
... Turn Metering Timer to 30min
... Press Menu button twice to get out of all menus
- Press ISO button near the top knob and press the right tab key on back of camera to set ISO to 100
- Press the WB button (it's the tab up key)
- Set WB to Tungsten Light and then press the Set button (it won't change if you don't press set)
- Install the USB cable from your PC to the Camera. EOS utility should start automatically.


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EU/ZB default settings for a new camera (I'd use my T2i)

Necessary? I know I'll want to address changing the destination directory for shots.


I think so...this is where you can show a pictorial view and explanation of each of the parameters that can be set, with the camera defaults.


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Set MWB

Yup. Have to go back into camera-based settings for WB, though - I set WB before I attach the camera at all.


I couldn't get by setting them in-camera. I want immediate feedback as to whether the MWB setting looks correct. I only get about 33% hit rate, ie I need to re-do on average twice before I am satisfied with the MWB result. This is where it might be nice to go through the eyedropper MWB function in ZB, and the preferred defocusing method of setting MWB, etc.


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Focus (what OOF high and low look like vs critical focus)

Another shudder moment. Should you be taking pictures if you don't know what a focused shot looks like? I suppose we should, though.


I think so, since so many folks rely on AF, they need to know why AF is often inadequate when shooting at high resolution.


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Ought to mention the image Zoom Browser pops up of the shot, as the place for the taker to review his work and decide on any necessary changes.


I didn't know it did this, or maybe I'm disabling that function and didn't know it? I just look at the shot in DPP for RAW or other viewer like ViewNX2 for jpg.


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One thing you should probably include is the manual metering functionality of ZB using the zoom window outline. I personally find this very important for ensuring that bright areas don't over-expose.
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I've never used anything other than Spot metering and no EV correction whatsoever. EV only adds yet another adjustment which I darned well ought to be getting right with ISO, exposure and lighting adjustment, given that aperture is dictated by DOF. I just don't trust the camera's opinion of whether I'm over/underexposing or not; I'll form my own opinion in the Live View window, thank you very much.

Many of the steps you've outlined in your tutorial - not to denigrate them; you're a lot more methodical than I - are things I've literally never touched in a camera.

This is kind of weird, actually, comparing the nuts and bolts of how we do things differently.
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I've never used anything other than Spot metering and no EV correction whatsoever. EV only adds yet another adjustment which I darned well ought to be getting right with ISO, exposure and lighting adjustment, given that aperture is dictated by DOF. I just don't trust the camera's opinion of whether I'm over/underexposing or not; I'll form my own opinion in the Live View window, thank you very much.


I find it tough (and slow) to judge highlight exposure manually, yet the camera judges it instantly and quantitatively. The camera's metering system pushes highlights right to the edge of overexposure to make all images a consistent brightness and maximize dynamic range, yet most of the actual dynamic range of the RAW image is in the shadows, not the highlights. If the highlights blow out, even a little, you completely lose control of the dynamic range and it's impossible to recover gracefully. A -1/3EV correction keeps the highlights a good distance from saturating as long as the zoom/metering box encompasses the brightest highlights.

All that said, I'm not 100% sure once you get into Live View that it matters what metering mode you choose. Metering in Live View "seems" to be determined only within the zoom/metering box. I need to check this statement out with different metering modes, but I think my earlier tests showed this to be true. So if you happen to be zooming in on an area that has no highlights, the camera will blow-out the highlights in other areas.


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Many of the steps you've outlined in your tutorial - not to denigrate them; you're a lot more methodical than I - are things I've literally never touched in a camera.


I put that camera setup sequence together when someone asked me for exactly what my camera settings were. Some of them are just my preferences and the default settings can work OK. I do think it's important to do a reset at the start to make sure you have a good starting point.


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This is kind of weird, actually, comparing the nuts and bolts of how we do things differently.


Yeah, I expected that. We're sort of diametrically opposed on a couple points:

- I don't trust autofocus at all, for any lens. I find critical focus to be something that must be decided manually.
- I don't trust my eyes to judge exposure. The camera is much more capable of quantitatively assessing exposure than my eyes are, and I can force it to always slightly underexpose with minimal intervention.

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Dave, I will send you my backup when I get home. I meant to do it already but forgot.
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One piece of trivia I would add - the image preview has the wrong exposure if you're using a manual lens in manual exposure mode (M on the dial). The preview actually looks a couple stops darker than what the actual exposure will turn out to be. It's a known bug in the Canon software. It works fine in Av or Tv mode. However, if you are using lens with a manual aperture ring, you can just use Tv mode if you want a fully manual exposure (since the camera can't set the aperture) and the preview is correct.

Most people probably stick with Av mode, but I like to lock in the exposure manually so I can get the same exposure for both sides of a coin or a series of coins and edit them all in exactly the same way and get really consistent results.
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One piece of trivia I would add - the image preview has the wrong exposure if you're using a manual lens in manual exposure mode (M on the dial). The preview actually looks a couple stops darker than what the actual exposure will turn out to be.


That's a good point; I need to adjust (usually ISO) at least two steps to get something bright enough to focus.

Sorry I haven't been back; my job entails 12-1/2 hour shifts, and the commute means I get 4 hours' sleep on days when I work consecutive shifts with zero free time. I have today to play with, and some of tomorrow, and then you won't see me again until Sunday afternoon.
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I just started a new job as well, and the learning curve is stressing me out, but it's better than being unemployed...

SD, if you can make a list of the shots you want to see based on the recent discussions I can try to get them for you before your Sunday window, assuming you'll want to work on this stuff in your limited spare time. Or maybe get the list together Sunday. Or I can just take a sequence of screen shots and fill in later, just let me know how you want to proceed...Ray
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I think the original list you proposed is about right. However, if Bobby is going to lend me his backup camera (a T2i), I'll be able to do everything here. With that in mind, if you want to send over screenshots, all the better; it'll reduce the workload.

I'm probably going to host the images out on the Net someplace because I'd really like to use a little more than 800 pixels of horizontal for the menu screens.
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