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Here's one I came across last night, a '64 nickel on a silver dime planchet. Weighs in right around 2.5g. Anybody have opinions on the coin and value? I've seen a couple of current and past auctions for similar pieces but they've graded in the MS-61 to MS-63 range. I was a bit surprised that the TPGs actually grade this kind of error given that you don't get a clean strike on an incorrect planchet, figured they'd just authenticate it and leave it at that. I guess they are judging based on it having the appropriate lustre for an MS coin?   Edited by nandemo1
08/22/2013 10:29 am
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I'm thinking this one is just PMD, but I could be wrong... |
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Looks correct from what I see. Note the edge devices fading and not flattened. The full rim and the weakness in the deepest devices. on the head and Monticello. The weakness is because of the thinner planchet. Here is a price guide for off metals: http://minterrornews.com/priceguideoffmetal.htmlEdited by coop
08/22/2013 11:11 am
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What causes the irregularity of the shape?
Is it because the planchet was too small, and it spread to try and fit the nickel die?
Edited by noahs-numismatics
08/22/2013 11:21 am
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Exactly. The dime planchet goes into the retaining collar that is sized for a nickel, the press comes down and spreads the planchet. It is given an irregular shape since there isn't enough material to fill the entire space in the collar.
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The metal flow pushes the planchet to stretch. I have one that is a nickel on a cent planchet. It is also off center that shows a rim area. The planchet is smaller than in the collar than a normal planchet would be. Off center strike:  Centered strike:  |
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Definitely looks genuine to me. It's a really nice error and looks to have a natural surface. And of course, it's silver!
As to the irregular shape, you have to realize that the smaller planchet is trying to fill in gaps within the dies as well as spread out into the collar, so depending on the design and orientation of the planchet in relation to the dies and collar, you will see differing shapes.
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What amazes me is that it circulated for 49 years before anyone noticed.
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It may have been in someone collection/drawer for a time. Someone may have just spent it.
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Just my opinion, but it sure looks like a nickel, period. A closer check of this coin would be in order
to determine it's exact composition. It would have to be of 90% silver. I'm going with nickel.
Whether the shape of this coin could be caused by the strike
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OldSkool/Coop, My uncle had it in his collection when he passed away 35 years ago and it passed to my parents. My father has only concentrated on building a great set of Morgans, so the oddball (non-Morgan) stuff has been sitting aside uninventoried and unresolved until I recently started getting into the hobby. Indian1, If it walks and quacks like a duck...you know the rest.  It weighs 2.49g, is the thickness of a dime, and it sure sounds like silver. |
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If it's that thin, then nice find. Did not know the thickness of it until now. Gotta admit though, it sure looks more nickely than the posted pic. of the dime planchet. Just for fun though anyway, if I had it I would do a simple home specific gravity test on it. Would be curious. Note: I've had a few blind dates in the past and they also walked and quacked like a duck but indeed were not ducks.  |
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i am in the PMD camp. I would like to see the edge near the '64' in the date and the edge near the nose, for example. I bet they are different. Further, if you take a normal nickel, cut a sliver off of it, it will definitely not sound like a nickel anymore. |
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I agree as well. Looks like a grinder or file was used on the coin. Its definitely uneven most of the way around, usually indicative of PMD. Heck it COULD have been an off center strike and some one decided to try and do it a favor by removing the "bad" portion. |
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