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 Posted 08/24/2013  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice lustre. Especially given that it looks like a scan rather than a photo. EF40
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I was just looking at the same coin and was going to post a question on this. I don't think there is any possibility that this is MS-64, as stated on the case. It looks more like a vf20-30. For a guy that has a 99.4% rating and over 150k ratings, it seems unbelievable.

National Numismatic Certification, not famililar with them, but seems suspect.
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 Posted 08/24/2013  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jg86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NNC overgrades heavily, but I've NEVER seen them screw up this bad. I figured it was VF-30ish.

I've found that coins they call MS63-64, usually are uncirculated, but I don't know how they could grade a coin this worn as uncirculated (nevertheless 64).

Someone is going to get hosed on this purchase.
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For anyone interested, this coin is at $340 with a few minutes left - http://www.ebay.com/itm/380699601496
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Sorry, somehow it got in a loop and kept reposting.
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Posting from your phone by chance? It happens to me then sometimes
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$891... WOW!
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Wow, I would be choked when it arrived. Very sad to see people paying for something that should be no more than $150.
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NNC is a basement slab operation which is run by that eBays eller. I feel sorry for anyone who bids on those coins thinking the grades are anything close to reality.
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Wow, MS64? That's amongst the most extreme overgrades I've seen with NNC...
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somebody is going to be upset..The highest this would grade is VF20 but more than likely F 15 at ICCS
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Like Pokermandude I'd give this coin EF40.Lots of luster remaining,the reverse leaves as well as the upper laurel leaves appear pristine.The pattern of wear on this coin appears very unusual,would be interesting to see it in hand for about a quarter of the price.I imagine somewhere,someone with little knowledge is patting himself on the back for making a great purchase.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Agreed. In hand I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to an AU. The reverse is very sharp. The obv looks more like a poor strike (common on these) than actual wear. But it is certainly not MS, let alone MS64.
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Looking at the ear and the braid below the ear, it looks vf20-30 if comparing to ICCS grades. It does seem to have stronger wear around that area.
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Quote:
Wow, I would be choked when it arrived. Very sad to see people paying for something that should be no more than $150.


Keep in mind that this is coinage axis, as opposed to the more common medal axis.
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