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 Posted 08/26/2013  03:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dvw1974 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I recently bought a coin lot and found the attached two coins. The silver coin baffles me and I just cannot find it anywhere when trying to research. the second is a hammered Tudor coin from Britain, 1568, Elizabeth I, a shilling, I think. It looks like gold, but under a light (as in the pic) it looks like silver. Does anyone know if this particular denomination was hammered in gold?

Any comments would be gratefully received.

Thanks

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 Posted 08/26/2013  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add platinrubel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the first one is a medieval groat from tripolis. (crusader states)
BOHEMOND VII., 1275-1287
AV: cross +SEPTIMVS: BOEMVNDVS: COMES
RV: castle +CIVITAS: TRIPOLIS: SYRIE
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 Posted 08/26/2013  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome.

I hate to bring up the subject, but the Tripoli coin is very commonly faked, for such obscure coinage; this company at least includes one in its sets of "Crusader coins". The only ones that have turned up on the forum before, such as here and here, have turned out to be fakes. They all, like yours, appear fuzzy and "grainy" - a typical sign of a cast replica.

As for your "hammered gold shilling", sorry, but I'm afraid that's incorrect on all three counts. This coin is actually from the brief Milled series of Elizabeth I, not hammered. Although this coin is about the size of a latter-day shilling, this is actually a sixpence; shillings did not bear dates, whereas your coin is dated 1568. And no, neither sixpences nor shillings were struck in gold. Gold coins roughly sixpence-sized were struck at about the same time as this sixpence (milled gold crowns); they have a similar design but the shield is crowned and the motto is different; compare with this example.

Gold and silver coins usually had distinctly different designs; this made it harder for someone from gold-plating a silver coin and attempting to pass it as gold. Some people tried to do this anyway; this may explain why your shilling was gold plated. Another explanation is that someone plated it simply to look nicer when mounted in jewellery; given the damage to your coin around the ZA in ELIZABETH, I'd say your coin was mounted in some fashion at some stage.
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 Posted 08/27/2013  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dvw1974 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SAP

From what I have read in your very helpful links - The coin should weigh 4.25g and mine weighs 7.2g, which means it is probably a cast replica. What a pity - ah well - you win some and you lose some. I am going to test it for silver and then leave it at that if it fails.

Thanks for the info on the milled coin.
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