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What Is A Fair Value?

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Mom is "downsizing" and has shown me some silver 1 troy POUND coins (.999) from 1986. She has 12 coins, but only 7 certificates of authenticity. They are currently held in a nice wooden box.

She lives West of Chicago. What I would like to do is find a reputable dealer to which to sell the coins. There are some guys coming to town tomorrow offering to buy gold, old coins before 1970 and any old jewelry and claiming to be coin collectors. I suspect that they are not that kind of dealer. (Not putting them down, but face it, if they say they always give top dollar for something, how does one know and how could they prove it?)

So I'm trying to find the best path here. I suspect I would want to find a reputable dealer in the western Chicago suburbs that will buy the coins at a reasonable discount.
1)How do I establish retail value?
2)How do I find a reputable dealer?
3)What is a reasonable discount at which to sell these fine coins?

Thanks in advance for your assistance!
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 Posted 09/01/2013  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One ounce or one pound? Are they American silver eagles? Are the proofs or bullion? A photo would help.
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"Fair" is usually not encountered between seller and buyer.
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Any chance you might be able to post a picture or two?

It's very likely that what you have are medals rather than coins. As there is a potential large difference in market value based on whether a piece is a coin or medal, a few pictures of what you have would help greatly.

Based on the "1986" date, I'm thinking you may either have some Statue of Liberty centennial pieces or some large silver rounds that feature the Walking Liberty design that is currently seen on the American Silver Eagle (and formerly found on the Walking Liberty half-dollars of 1916-1947). If "Yes" to either, they would not be US coins - - " they would be medals. The US Mint has never issued one troy pound silver coins.

Important Note: A troy pound contains 12 troy ounces of silver, not 16 ounces.

Regarding your questions...

Retail value?

If they are, in fact, medals, it's likely that a dealer will base his purchase price on their melt value as most modern medals are not as easy to sell as coins and thus place more stress on a dealer's cash flow. A local dealer I know pays between 80% and 90% of melt value for silver that he considers bullion.

Reputable dealer?

Is there a local coin club in your area? If there is, you might consider bringing the pieces to one of their meetings. One or more members would likely be able to steer you toward an appropriate local dealer. You can search the internet for clubs in your area. You can also visit the American Numismatic Association ( ANA) site at http://www.money.org to search for a local club.

Reasonable discount?

First off, it is very likely that the folks "coming to town" to buy gold and silver will not be offering very good prices. I've seen such groups offer only 10-30% of melt value for items which is far less than a reputable local dealer that regularly buys good/silver would/should offer. I would hold off selling to any traveling gold/silver buying show and get offers from two or three local dealers/shops. Prices will vary, but you should be able to get at least 80% of melt from a couple of dealers.


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to the CCF ... you have indeed arrived at the proper place to find some help to support your mothers downsizing ...

Allow me to start the support by suggesting that your post on this topic can be better supported by moving it to the precious metal forum where the real experts hang out ... to that end I will suggest a move after I conclude my comments.

No worries ... you will be informed about where the post ends up.

Your mothers coins are likely worth silver value ... a photograph of the 'coins' and box/COA would help us to help you.

The Troy Pound mass weight measurement can be confusing to many of us ... bottom line a Troy Pound is equivalent to 12 avoirdupois ounces ... and avoirdupois ounces are the mass unit whereby precious metals are sold in todays market.

Your mothers coins are worth $282 each at todays silver closing price of $23.53 per ounce (avoirdupois)

Agreed that it is wise without knowledge to avoid the traveling 'buy-it-now' show ... do know that these folks also know the current value of silver and hopefully you are armed with a knowledge of current spot pricing and able to negotiate a fair price.

David

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Wow ... you folks replying ahead f me are FAST ... and demonstrative of the tremendous support the CCF offers to all comers.

I am now asking the Mod Dudes to send this thread to the bullion forum.

David
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There are a lot of clubs in the Chicago area. There one in Hillside, Lake County, Oak Forest, Chicago, and the one I belong to, Elgin Coin Club.

There are also two coin shows every month, one in Itasca and one in Hillside. You can take your coins or medals and shop them around.

Best bet, post photos here first so you know just what you have and what you can expect in the way of an offer.

If you do not have coins but precious metals, there is a dealer in Elgin who deals with a lot of PMs -- huge shop and a good rep. He is, of course, in business to make a profit/living; but those PM buyers that slip in and out of communities are not worried about their reputations.
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Thank you for the quick response. Yeah, at about 3 1/2 inches in diameter, they are pretty big to be currency. They called them a coin.

The coins/medals are themed. Two different versions of the Liberty/Ellis Island, a Constitution, a walking liberty (american silver eagle?) the 1988 olymipics (yes, dated in 1986) and one other that escapes me now. I can post pictures and the words on the CofA tomorrow.

Thanks for the warm welcome!
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 Posted 09/02/2013  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shempert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, wait... I do have a picture.

What-Is-A-Fair-Value?

Now, there seems to be one SOLD on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-1-POUN...em257a418c45

So I presume with patience, someone can sell these things for more than melt value. Not sure how big that market is.
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The one sold on ebay was in capsule only. You have the box, so selling as a set on ebay could do well. Something like $425 x 6 = $2150 plus box. You could price the set as a Buy it Now for $2500 - $3000.

If the set doesn't sell within a month or so, split the set up and sell each coin individually, since there might be collectors looking for one or two coins to complete the set. You could sell the box separately as well. Good luck!

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They have the exact one you listed (the 12ozt walking liberty) at my LCS (local coin store) for a small premium over melt.. Hes actually holding it for me until payday. That's an insanely high price that was realized on ebay.. Honestly I wouldn't expect that to be normal.. Maybe a shill bidder? Either that or someone really wanted it/had no idea what it was..

There just considered bullion and the price directly follows melt values, plus a small premium when buying or private sale.. Or minus a small premium when selling to a dealer.

O, and the two on the left of the photo are Morgan dollar designs.

Like allspice said the full boxes set will probably bring more of a premuim, and it's absolutely worth trying to sell them for that price.. Of not you could always lower it. Just for me personally I've only see them for just over bullion prices so that linked price kind of blows my mind...
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I would put it on ebay for around $3000, while accepting offers. Then you can see if there are people interested in buying, and how much they are willing to pay. You can haggle a price that you think is fair.
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Beautiful set,
best of luck
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Thank you very much for your feedback. I suspected that the buyer of the coin referenced on ebay thought it might actually be a large Silver Eagle coin or something. I checked the wording of the add it was quite proper in my opin since it made no claims for the unit other than to be what it was. Someone can assume a lot about things on ebay. I really don't want to deal with these items via ebay. And since I'm new, I can't attempt to sell through this forum.

OK. So I will shop some "local" coin dealers and try to sell as a set and expect something approaching melt prices. Or I can decide to sell the cases on ebay and the coins to the jeweler down the street if he'll give mom a competitive price.

Your assistance has been wonderfully educational! Next month, I'll be digging through the proof sets and first day covers she has. That will probably prompt a very different strategy.

Thanks so much!

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