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I am starting to get the feeling that the RCM is going way overboard on their monthly commemorative coin offerings. Too many cheesy products (ie. Superman, colourized coins, royal this that and the other, Martin Short presents). I can't help but feel that these surplus offerings are cheapening the collectibility of RCM products. That aside, the cost of their coins is growing colossally (I know, having just used the word "cheapened" in my previous sentence).

Don't get me wrong, I still believe the RCM is producing gorgeous coins. I have been collecting the Group of Seven series and will typically go for the annual silver dollar and a few of the historic coins. I'd like to see less quantity and more quality coming from the RCM.

Wondering how you guys weigh in on this? Most of you have been collecting a lot longer than myself, so please let me know if I am out of line with my assessment.



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 Posted 09/03/2013  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bm0ney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't buy ANY of the nonsense from the Royal Canadian Mint
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 Posted 09/03/2013  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We've been saying this for the past decade... yet they keep coming back with new ideas... new schemes or gimmicks some may say. But in the end, you decide to buy, or not to buy.

I personally think the quality isn't what it was 10 years ago.
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 Posted 09/03/2013  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jsinger21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the mint will go back to it's old ways once they realize their sales don't reach it's quota.
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 Posted 09/03/2013  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvergoose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that the US Mint has a better balance than the RCM, although I suppose many might say that they are gradually going down the RCM's path. They have annual standard collectible items such as the Silver Eagles and Gold Buffalo's. They also limit the number of commemoratives they produce annually. I'm also a fan of their America the Beautiful series.

I'd love to see Canada go back to producing an annual design like the Voyageur Dollar that canbe collected every year. Maybe balance that off with a new commemorative silver dollar each year. Keep the collectible sets limited, beautiful... and relevant.

I remember when baseball cards became big (again) in the 1980's and 1990's. Everyone began producing cards with special holograms and in an unlimited number of limited sets. Most of those cards are worthless today, while cards from a simpler time still holding or are increasing in value.
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I don't think RCM Care until people stop buying. If people keep on buying, they will keep on pushing out coins. You can sit here and complain about coins not selling out, it doesn't matter. They release more coins and monthly interval. They don't need very coin to sell out, they just need you to buy some of the coins they release. They figured, if they release at least 5 coins monthly, you bound to buy at least 1 or 2 of those coins monthly. How many here already have at least one of the O'Canada subscription, and or Duck Subscription? as much as we complained about the quality and the quantity that RCM releases, did we really actually decrease the amount of money we spend from this year to previous year? Until we stop buying or cut back, RCM will continue to think they are doing the right thing and there's no need to change
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 Posted 09/03/2013  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While I'm feeling a tad overwhelmed at the sheer numbers of coins being released, let's play devil's advocate for a bit.

I'm new to coin collecting and do fancy some of the newer coins. Like others have said, they don't need to sell out every single coin. They just need to attract newcomers to the hobby with different coin varieties. I personally know of a few people who have started buying coins because of the new themes introduced. If that keeps the hobby going, maybe it's worth it? While I understand the concerns regarding the depreciating value, will the coin still have value if the mint no longer produces NLCTs?

One of my main complaints is that I do wish they would keep the quality up. In some of the coins I've seen in hand, there have been QC problems. I'd rather less coins, produced at a higher quality where I don't have to scrutinize each coin to see what problems are on them.

I just wish the RCM had approached their releases differently. Instead of doing a "highly anticipated" monthly release, it would have been more beneficial to simply set out an e-catalogue with all of the releases of the year. That way, collectors could budget for the coins they wanted without the feeling of frantically purchasing online. I realize their approach is probably about generating hype, but I for one could do without the hype.
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 Posted 09/04/2013  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lostwords to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't agree with the monthly releases... but looks at how much activities this forum generated .. We know we will get one of those "July, August, September" and soon October release thread... :)
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I've expressed similar sentiments to all of the above comments several times on different threads. I can only reiterate what has been said.

From all of the feedback you folks have provided, it appears that there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the quantity and sometimes quality of the RCM's releases in recent years.

I can only hope that the decision makers at the mint will get the message. In the meantime we can help deliver this message by keeping our wallets closed.
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 Posted 09/04/2013  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BiBo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In fact. I did cut more than 1/2 spending on NCLT this year.
And put it on Bullion.
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I just sold off all of my mint products except one. My Edward VIII Medallion.
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 Posted 09/06/2013  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clvlys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree that the RCM is releasing too many coins too often. I would disagree with the term 'cheesy' to describe colourized, royal, superman coins and so forth. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am pleased to see such a variety of themes using different mediums. I would certainly not buy them all, and there are many that I am not at all interested in. But again, the frequency and number is too overwhelming, and will eventually, if it has not already, reduce the value of their coins as collectibles.

I would like to see them return to their release practices of a few years back, with new coins coming out on a quarterly basis.
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 Posted 09/06/2013  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mlalonde1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The key is to base your decision on what you really like to have in your collection... Even if the RCM release 100 coins per month, if you're not able to choose the one you really want, stop this hobby right now, because you'll be bankrupt sooner... Yes, the RCM release too much coins, but the consumer have the final words... I had the same kind of tought in the beginning of the year for the monthly release, and I now focus on the coins I really want to have and willing to pay for. With this way of thinking, I just kept the same budget... You have to be more disciplined and respect your budget, if the RCM drive the way you buy coins, you have a serious problem... Just like a woman who own a wardrobe of shoes!
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 Posted 09/06/2013  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoulBrotherNo3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sadly it seems that the RCM is very focused on profits and revenue and less on quality and design integrity recently.
I absolutely understand the economics of it being a crown corporation but feel they've taken a step beyond that.

There is capitalist fever at the mint and unfortunately for the serious collector, it's taking the shine off of their products and offerings.

Even though they are reporting record revenues, I think the value of their products because of their practices is overall suffering.

For a pop culture reference, I think we're witnessing the RCM "Jump the Shark" right now.
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For a pop culture reference, I think we're witnessing the RCM "Jump the Shark" right now.


Don't give the RCM any ideas. Next thing you know we'll have a series of commemorative coins with the Fonz front and centre
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