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Overgraded, Undergraded Or Properly Graded

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 Posted 09/09/2013  08:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add skelly423 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good morning all,

I just got the following four coins back from ICCS and wanted your opinions on the grade. I think ICCS may have missed on one or two of them

Coin #1 is an 1885 straight 5
Coin #2 is an 1885 Curved 5
Coin #3 is an 1880
Coin #4 is an 1893

You can safely assume there is no cleaning, scratching, or other damage, and that the reverse wear is consistent with what you see on the obverses. Thanks for sharing your opinions.

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 Posted 09/09/2013  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skelly423 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I should mention that I will post the actual grades at the end of the day. I just wanted a few unbiased opinions before doing so
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 Posted 09/09/2013  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
# 1 VG
#2 VG 10
# 3 VG 10
# 4 VG 10
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 Posted 09/09/2013  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carly1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#1= VG10
#2= F12
#3= F12
#4= F12
Nice rims on the 1893
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 Posted 09/09/2013  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VG10,F12,F12,F12
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 09/09/2013  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VG10,

VG10,

F12,

VG10...IMHO..
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 Posted 09/09/2013  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All four should definitely be no more than 1/2 a grade apart from each other.

I'm not strong in grading circulated coins, but the above guesses seem about right to me.
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 Posted 09/09/2013  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jg86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think any of the prior guesses could be correct:
8-10
10-12
10-12 (the lighting on this one make it a touch tougher to grade, but I don't think it will matter)
10-12

I'd go with VG10, F12, F12, VG10.
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 Posted 09/09/2013  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skelly423 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your opinions, artdio nailed it; according to ICCS, they're all VG-10. Personally, I would have given #2 and #4 a F-12 (boosted by the strength of the rims), and would not have been surprised if #1 had dipped to an 8. I may take a chance on a re-submission on the latter 3 when I send in my next batch for grading.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skelly423 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just got a batch back from ICCS, and in the mix I took a chance on re-grading Coin #2 and Coin #4. They both came back as VG-8. As it stands right now, coin #1, which is BY FAR the worst of the lot is graded higher than the two nicest coins in the lot.

Personally, I'm finished with submitting coins to ICCS. I'm not upset that the grades came back lower (though I am disappointed); the fact that an inferior coin is graded higher than two nicer coins is the tipping point for me.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you check with a microscope? With my x40 loupe, a nice looking coin can be really beat up.
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 Posted 10/08/2013  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Superhal: What you are saying is perfectly correct but,
a 40x loupe allows too harsh a judgment to be passed when grading. The TPG'ers use an industry standard 10x loupe, when examining a coin 'in hand'.

I use a 40x loupe, but not for coin grading; the depth of field is way too narrow, and you don't get an appreciation of the whole coin. I use my 40x loupe for examining the internal flaws in gemstones, where the narrow depth of field can be very useful.

Grading: I agree with the majority in this case.
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