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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Yes it is part of the same lot.... Sellers photo showing BD:   I cleaned off the BD, although the coin looked to be riddled with it, it was all on the surface, and I put it in DW overnight. In view of the other coins I thought I would have another look this morning....   Does this also look dodgy? It does not look struck to me. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hard to say really. Nothing I see 'screams' fake. Looks like it was also given a bath in something nasty. Sulphuric or something. Over cleaning detracts in many ways ..... not the least of which is the ability to spot the funny stuff !
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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Also I can't find this version of Jupiter.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Have a close look at the edge with a loupe.
Look for evidence of silver crystallization, metal structure inside any edge split, and for casting joins.
Silver crystallization for Roman coins, is reasonably good evidence that the coin was struck roughly when it alleges itself to have been struck.
The legends look a little mushy, but I refuse to condemn this coin on this ground alone, because as Fvrivs Rvfvs has pointed out, it may be the result of having taken a bath in something nasty. Sometimes, ancient silver coins after being dug up, need an acid bath.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Looks like RIC IV b, 202 - Page 86. An example from Wildwinds Here:  Obv: IMP SEV ALEXAND AVG - Laureate head right.Rev: IOVI STATORI - Jupiter standing front, head turned right, holding thunderbolt and scepter. Rome mint: AD 231.Your coin looks fine to me authenticity wise - must admit I'm surprised to see BD on a silver (I have few silvers and don't really collect them so my experience is very limited) coin but I guess these later 'silver' coins have more other metals in their make-up when compared to the earlier ones. Seems to be quite a rare reverse legend for this Emperor  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2838 Posts |
BTW - the reverse means something along the lines of 'Jupiter the stabilizer'.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thanks guys. That is a relief! The BD certainly behaved as though it was genuine, I assume that there are other metals in this coin, it doesn't feel like the solid caracella that I have. Also nice that it is a scarce legend. So 3 out of 6 were fakes. Have written to the original seller to ask if he knows where they came from. Be interesting to see if I get a reply. Have bought from him before, going to look up those coins next!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I like your attitude. Asking for provenance is always a good thing to do, if there is any doubt.
The answer may be interesting, be it truthful, untruthful, or just plain don't know, and is just making it up.
For a high valued item, provenance needs to be verified.
Try bending it with your fingers. I have been caught out that way myself, but only once, many years ago.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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No, can't bend it. I have bought my last coins until I come back from India. I have loads that I still need to attribute and clean, so I have plenty to keep me occupied. Also have a few byzantine cups in soak. Have decided that I have satisfied my "urge" for a collection and when I start to buy again, I am going to be a little more discerning. Full legends required that sort of thing. Might still get dirties to keep my hand in, but probably single coins from dealers with provenance rather than ebay. |
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Moderator
 United States
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As others have said the coin is genuine. Did you buy these last few coins from the same dealer? They all appear to have been acid cleaned.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
3626 Posts |
Yes they were a lot of 6 coins, 3 of which were fakes. I had previously bid on them before but lost them at a price of £48. I won them for £29 something second time around.
I am not saying that the dealer who I saw them with first is the originator, I sent him a message this morning but he has not replied. Should I post his name?
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Moderator
United States
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I would wait to see if he replies and makes an offer to replace the fakes. If he doesn't reply than I see no reason why not to post his seller info.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Oh he is not getting them back, as far as I know, they are the first fakes I have got, and they are the start of a new (but hopefully not very big) collection.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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why would that coin get BD if a silver denarius? I know many had some bronze in them...but that looks very silverish.
strange to see that BD come off and not leave a mark on that coin also.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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It could be that the silver is debased. I will keep an eye on it in case it returns.
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Posted 10/03/2013 07:17 am
